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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg
Now, since there was medical reason for waiting 8 days (production of vit. K that allows blood to congeal, is at its peak on the 8th day)

Precisely. Eusebius was advising the believers not to follow Jewish practices because they were unrelated to baptism in the physicial sense.

No evidence that David circumcised his infant son who died, but who he knew he would see again (2Sam.12)

Of course he did. Jews believe in Shoel, or Hades, a place where all dead souls go, not just the righteous. You are interpreting Judaism of 1000 BC with Christian notions of heaven and hell. Way off the target, friend.

Well that is a good thing to trust in, since water Baptism is a meaningless act on a child

Meaningless? Did Jesus Christ say "Baptise adults in the name of the Father...?" I would rather "err" on the side of "meaningless" in this instance and leave the rest to God.

The infant is saved because of God's grace

And an adult is saved because of God's grace too ! -- regardless of how smart or Bible-read he or she is, or how much (s)he believes, or how charitable (s)he is. It's always God's grace, regardless.

God is now free to impute Christ's righteousness to the infant so he is justified before God

God is always free. He does not have to depend on our state of intellect to save our miserable souls, or on our "acceptance" of Him as believing adults.

Through baptism, we are adopted into Christ, not intellectually but mystically. We do not "adopt" God into us. God adopts us into Him. And, that, dear friend, does not depend on us at all. :)

Baptized infants aren't Christians either! LOL!

Christ commanded us to baptize everyone, and all people who are baptized are adopted into Christ, and are therefore Christians. Of course, if you grow up baptized but refuse God, do not repent as you continue in life, what good is your baptism going to be? It is not the intellect that makes baptism valid, but it is our faith that makes us stay baptized in Christ when we are old enough and willing to repent. Infants dont have to worry about staying in Christ once they are brought into Christ, because they cannot sin yet.

Your theology holds God's grace hostage by our intellectual ability to "accept" God when we are ready. It places our intellect over God, so that He "may" be free to bestow His grace upon us. Gees, that is really an upside-down theology.

7,040 posted on 05/23/2006 3:56:19 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Now, since there was medical reason for waiting 8 days (production of vit. K that allows blood to congeal, is at its peak on the 8th day) Precisely. Eusebius was advising the believers not to follow Jewish practices because they were unrelated to baptism in the physicial sense.

And neither has anything to do with salvation.

No evidence that David circumcised his infant son who died, but who he knew he would see again (2Sam.12) Of course he did. Jews believe in Shoel, or Hades, a place where all dead souls go, not just the righteous. You are interpreting Judaism of 1000 BC with Christian notions of heaven and hell. Way off the target, friend.

Yes, the infant went to Abraham's bosom (Lk 16) the same place that saved David went.

Well that is a good thing to trust in, since water Baptism is a meaningless act on a child Meaningless? Did Jesus Christ say "Baptise adults in the name of the Father...?" I would rather "err" on the side of "meaningless" in this instance and leave the rest to God.

No infant was ever baptized in the NT.

The infant is saved because of God's grace And an adult is saved because of God's grace too ! -- regardless of how smart or Bible-read he or she is, or how much (s)he believes, or how charitable (s)he is. It's always God's grace, regardless.

That's very nice, but for the adult it is through faith (Rom.10:17, Eph.2:8).

If you are depending on your infant Baptism or anything else but the shed Blood of Christ you are lost.

God is now free to impute Christ's righteousness to the infant so he is justified before God God is always free. He does not have to depend on our state of intellect to save our miserable souls, or on our "acceptance" of Him as believing adults.

Once again, God is free but He is bound by His own Holiness.

That is why He cannot save those who reject His free gift of salvation.

Through baptism, we are adopted into Christ, not intellectually but mystically. We do not "adopt" God into us. God adopts us into Him. And, that, dear friend, does not depend on us at all. :)

No one has ever been saved by water Baptism.

Baptism is identification with God, but it cannot save.

Baptized infants aren't Christians either! LOL! Christ commanded us to baptize everyone, and all people who are baptized are adopted into Christ, and are therefore Christians. Of course, if you grow up baptized but refuse God, do not repent as you continue in life, what good is your baptism going to be? It is not the intellect that makes baptism valid, but it is our faith that makes us stay baptized in Christ when we are old enough and willing to repent. Infants dont have to worry about staying in Christ once they are brought into Christ, because they cannot sin yet.

Water Baptism saves no one, infant or adult.

The Baptism that saves is a spiritual one, after one is saved and the Holy Spirit brings the believer into union with Christ (1Cor.12:13).

Water Baptism is a symbol of this fact. (2Pe.3)

Your theology holds God's grace hostage by our intellectual ability to "accept" God when we are ready. It places our intellect over God, so that He "may" be free to bestow His grace upon us. Gees, that is really an upside-down theology.

No, my theology is based on the words of God, words which God places above His own name (Ps.138:2)

7,041 posted on 05/23/2006 4:13:09 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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