Who ever said that?
You did when you said: "Who is going to have sex with another person's wife? Not a normal person." Who is the other person, if you don't mean God?
MAYBE they didn't have Viagra back then... Sex isn't one of those "things to do" when you are 70 years old, especially if the GIRL took a vow of virginity.
Yes, there certainly are plenty of extra-Biblical "MAYBES" in this whole scenario. Does the Tradition really specify that Joseph was 70? ... And please speak for yourself on "things to do" when we reach 70. :)
Does the Bible say that Joseph and Mary had sex?
Yes, it sure does, and I still don't see why this is the end of the world for you, especially since you appear now NOT to think of Mary as Mrs. God. :)
Don't you find Mary's reply to the angel strange?
No, not at all. Harley and I have both addressed this from slightly different angles, but I think we arrive in basically the same place. My argument is that we know for sure that Mary asked a simple and honest, straightforward question, because that is exactly the response she got. Jesus is a model for this in how He answered questions. Mary asks how can this be since "I AM a virgin" or "I have known not a man". Mary does not say since "I am PLEDGED to be a virgin (forever)". Mary was asking a logical question of mechanics given her (then) current state. Since the passage says that Mary was afraid, naturally so, it makes sense that she would revert back to basics. We all do under stress.
Now, at the time, Mary was still officially betrothed and not yet married. The wedding day was of an indeterminate length away. Another point in support of my contention that the angel meant and Mary understood that this pregnancy was about to happen SOON is that the angel tells Mary something else very important to this discussion. The angel tells Mary that her relative Elizabeth was already in her sixth month with John the Baptist. Now we know that JTB jumps in the womb at the presence of Jesus in Mary's womb. That leaves an absolute maximum window of three months for Mary to be pregnant after the visit from the angel. This was not some long-term prediction.
Why wouldn't it be like Hannah, if Mary was just an ordinary, betrothed woman about to enter into a sexual relationship?
I don't understand your comparison between Hannah and Mary. Hannah prayed hard for a baby, and God granted her request. Mary was not praying for a baby and was in an entirely different situation. Mary was about to conceive supernaturally, and be subject to public ridicule, the scorn and disgust of her betrothed, and perhaps even her own death by stoning. It seems only "just" of God to give her a heads up. :) She would have been in agony and torment otherwise, and for doing no wrong. These situations have nothing to do with each other.
FK backs this up by making the amazing comment : "You did when you said: "Who is going to have sex with another person's wife? Not a normal person." Who is the other person, if you don't mean God?
I'm speaking about Mary being married to Joseph! Who is going to have sex with Joseph's wife? How in God's name did you ever think that I said Mary was married to God??? Wow! Weren't we talking about Mary and Joseph and why they got married?
And please speak for yourself on "things to do" when we reach 70. :)
How old are you?
Yes, it sure does [Mary and Joseph had sex], and I still don't see why this is the end of the world for you, especially since you appear now NOT to think of Mary as Mrs. God. :)
Oh brother. This from a Sola Scriptura charecter? Where does it say that "Joseph knew Mary"? Don't go beyond what the Scriptures say - what ever happened to that?
Mary asks how can this be since "I AM a virgin" or "I have known not a man". Mary does not say since "I am PLEDGED to be a virgin (forever)".
Sure. Woman who are betrothed to be married always asks such questions like "duh, how am I going to have a child - I am going to be wed soon..." What sort of arguement is that? The response of Mary would be "Wow, that's wonderful. Thanks and praise to God". Not "how can that be...?" A person in a normal relationship does not ask how a child will come into existence...
And the question for you - why are you arguing this point anyway? Does it crush a Protestant belief or do you just enjoy arguing about Christ's Mother?
Regards