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To: Forest Keeper
I figured that since it wasn't salvational that it might be OK to mention.

Baptism is for the remission of sins - so says the Scripture. HOW IS IT NOT salvational?

I have let this go on several occasions, but this is important. Without sins being forgiven, how do Protestants of your ilk consider yourselves as being "saved"? And at what point DO you become saved??? "Lord, Lord" - that's it? "Be gone, I never knew you..." Frightful!

Regards

6,825 posted on 05/17/2006 5:10:46 PM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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To: jo kus
Baptism is for the remission of sins - so says the Scripture. HOW IS IT NOT salvational?

You're just in time! :) Ping to 6991 for some discussion on this.

6,993 posted on 05/22/2006 8:10:13 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg; Agrarian; HarleyD
I have let this go on several occasions, but this is important. Without sins being forgiven, how do Protestants of your ilk consider yourselves as being "saved"? And at what point DO you become saved??? "Lord, Lord" - that's it? "Be gone, I never knew you..." Frightful!

The sins of the elect are forgiven. I am starting to piece together that what you think happens at Baptism, I think took place 2,000 years ago on a cross. So, the forgiveness part was done by Christ. What do you think Christ did on the cross? I "thought" you believed that Christ only took care of the original sin, but when the example of Paul came up as an adult new believer, that forced me to think that in your system, there could be a perfectly good believer who goes to hell because he hasn't gone through the ceremony. I didn't put that together before, since we've never talked about adult new believers.

From the standpoint of my own knowledge, I consider myself saved at the point of belief. From God's POV I was saved at the beginning.

6,994 posted on 05/22/2006 8:50:39 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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