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To: jo kus; Full Court
Consider, that parts of the Bible do NOT mention that it is Scriptures!!! After reading Esther, you are going to tell me that you KNOW this is from God??? Please.

Of course not in isolation, I believe that it was God's work that assembled the books of the Bible, such that when one scripture refers to "scripture" it includes all of the books, past, present, and future. Apparently, God hasn't seen fit to make any changes in quite some time.

The Community makes the claim that "this is the Word of God" - not based on its own merit, but on the community recognizing the Writings as such.

Then God certainly owes those gentlemen a debt of gratitude, seeing as how God could not inspire a Holy work that was self evident.

Then why don't the Jews believe in Jesus Christ? Why don't THEY accept the NT as Scriptures?

God tells us that to the non-elect, the truths of scripture are nonsense. It is apparent that many of the Jews that are related in the NT during the time of Christ did not have real faith, but also that many Jews did accept Christ.

I am beginning to become concerned over your apparent worship of the Bible.

And I was already concerned over your apparent worship of dead men and one particular woman. :)

6,693 posted on 05/15/2006 8:45:48 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
And I was already concerned over your apparent worship of dead men and one particular woman. :)

Boy you pegged that one!!

6,694 posted on 05/15/2006 8:48:23 PM PDT by Full Court (click on my name to see the baby!!)
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To: Forest Keeper
Of course not in isolation, I believe that it was God's work that assembled the books of the Bible, such that when one scripture refers to "scripture" it includes all of the books, past, present, and future. Apparently, God hasn't seen fit to make any changes in quite some time.

Again and again, you are begging the question. You PRESUME that God put the Bible together because the Bible is from God - according to you. You have a finished product that you claim is from God. You provide no evidence to prove that - you beg the question. Considering that Esther does not tell us it is Scripture, reading it in isolation does not tell us it is Scriputre. We rely on the decisions of the Community of Faith that Esther represents the "mind" of the Church - which is guided by the Spirit. But having the book in hand does not prove a lick. What makes Esther Scripture, while the book of Wisdom is not, according to Protestants? Or the Epistle of Barnabas? And so forth. It is a circular argument to say "the Bible is the Word of God BECAUSE the Word of God is the Bible". You won't convince any thinking person using this logic.

Then God certainly owes those gentlemen a debt of gratitude, seeing as how God could not inspire a Holy work that was self evident.

LOL! The Bible's individual books are NOT "self-evident"! That is quite ridiculous in many of the OT books! Even some of the NT books do not bear the "stamp" of a divinely written book. Philemon? Jude? 3 John? YOU could pick them out from a pile of scrolls without any knowledge of them previously, and decide they were Scriptures? Please. Give me a break. Without the community led by the Spirit, you wouldn't have a clue on what was Scriptures...

God tells us that to the non-elect, the truths of scripture are nonsense. It is apparent that many of the Jews that are related in the NT during the time of Christ did not have real faith, but also that many Jews did accept Christ.

Can you point those verses out for me? Where does the Bible say the non-elect believe the Scriptures are nonsense? It is readily apparent that Jesus of Nazareth's death did not fit the "Scriptural" view held by the Jews on who the Messiah would be. The Scriptures themselves tell us that a man hung from a tree is condemned by God. It is ONLY Apostolic Tradition that explains Deuteronomy from a different perspective. From the bible alone, Jews will not come to the faith.

And I was already concerned over your apparent worship of dead men and one particular woman. :)

LOL! Asking for someone to pray for me is worship? I guess you must worship living Christians, then!

Regards

6,726 posted on 05/16/2006 6:51:30 AM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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