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To: wmfights
The SCRIPTURES contain all the information that GOD has decided we need.

Does it? Does the Bible tell us it has this sufficiency to the exclusion of any other source of authority? What does this Scripture tell us about the Church?

If the other sources were "GOD breathed" they would be in SCRIPTURE.

Again, you are presuming that everything "God breathed" is encapsulated within Scriptures. Sure, Scripture is God-breathed, but so are sacramental actions. So is the Liturgy. So is prayer. So are oral Apostolic Teachings. All are works begun and nutured by the Spirit, God's "Breath".

If GOD intended for pastors to have supernatural powers in every generation GOD would have made it very clear in SCRIPTURE.

He did.

Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 1 Tim 4:14

Of course, Christ gave powers of forgiving sins and binding/loosening to the Apostles directly. If Christ expects His Church to exist for all time, can you give me a logical reason why He would not continue to provide this ministry to the Church for all time?

Regards

6,660 posted on 05/15/2006 11:13:01 AM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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To: jo kus; wmfights
Of course, Christ gave powers of forgiving sins and binding/loosening to the Apostles directly. If Christ expects His Church to exist for all time, can you give me a logical reason why He would not continue to provide this ministry to the Church for all time?

The Jews looked for a sign, and God provided that. (They were told all through the OT what to look for in the case of the Messiah.)

Mark 16:20  And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Now, the signs were not given to anyone else.

1 Corinthians 1:22  For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom....

THEN, when the Gospel was no longer being preached to the Jews, the signs stopped.

Go to www.justbible.com and see the pattern by searching using the word signs.

6,685 posted on 05/15/2006 5:34:16 PM PDT by Full Court (click on my name to see the baby!!)
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To: jo kus; Full Court
"Again, you are presuming that everything "God breathed" is encapsulated within Scriptures. Sure, Scripture is God-breathed, but so are sacramental actions. So is the Liturgy. So is prayer. So are oral Apostolic Teachings. All are works begun and nutured by the Spirit, God's "Breath"."
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The cause of most of the doctrine and practices that divide us is due to your reliance on outside sources to justify your positions and this false concept of "oral tradition" being as valuable as SCRIPTURE.

Purgatory, the Mass, transubstantiation, indulgences, the treasury of merit, penance, the rosary, prayers to Mary, holy water, the papacy, immaculate conception are all based on extra Biblical sources, or your "oral tradition". Let me throw an idea at you. If oral traditions and written words are equivalent once those oral teachings from the Apostles were written down isn't it much more reliable to stand with the written word? Also, the Apostles who were the only ones granted supernatural power are all gone so we can no longer receive these oral teachings directly from them.

Regards to you
6,727 posted on 05/16/2006 7:24:30 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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