To: HarleyD; 1000 silverlings
For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all Pharisaitical Jews believed in resurrection -- the World to Come referred to earth, not heaven. Until resurrection, which is indeterminate, and post-messiah, those who die are "asleep" in their graves, and their souls are in Shoel/Hades. No hell. No heaven. You are reading into this because you don't know what Judaism teaches. There is no reference to any heaven or hell in your verses.
6,491 posted on
05/12/2006 6:06:18 PM PDT by
kosta50
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: kosta50; HarleyD
No, not true, for David affirms that He is God of the living when he says that God will not leave his soul in the grave, or in Hell, for if He did, then the living, David after death, could not worship Him.
To: kosta50; 1000 silverlings
Pharisaitical Jews believed in resurrection -- the World to Come referred to earth, not heaven. Until resurrection, which is indeterminate, and post-messiah, those who die are "asleep" in their graves, and their souls are in Shoel/Hades. No hell. No heaven.
I'd like to know how you can know so much about the Pharisaitical Jews when historians don't. Apparently not much is known about the Pharisees. About the only thing they do know is from the works of Josephus which states the Pharisees believe:
The only point on which all our sources agree is their belief in an afterlife in contrast to the Sadducean denial. Josephus appears to contrast their position with Essene dualism: for the Pharisees unrighteous souls are punished while the righteous pass into "other bodies" (BJ 2.163). Presumably some sort of heavenly bodies is intended rather than a belief in reincarnation, since the latter appears to be foreign to all known Jewish beliefs. This then would presuppose some specific eschatological event. Pharisees
You are reading into this because you don't know what Judaism teaches. There is no reference to any heaven or hell in your verses.
As Josephus points out, the Pharisees believed in the body passing into some other type of heavenly body-not reincarnation but some form of celestrial body. What would you suppose the Pharisees' belief in the resurrection of the dead would mean and how would you contrast this with the Sadducee's belief? After all, no one else seems to know apart from Josephus writings. However, you seem to have additional information.
6,502 posted on
05/12/2006 6:45:24 PM PDT by
HarleyD
("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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