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To: jo kus; 1000 silverlings
My whole point, that has been either ignored or misunderstood,...is that the Apostles of 47 AD made a decision based on oral teachings and the authority given to them

Yes, I did misunderstand your point.

The Apostles made decisions based upon – not oral teachings – but on what they received directly from God and from God’s guidance. However, I wouldn’t equate anyone in church history on the same level as the twelve apostles. Even the apostles didn’t fully understand God’s hand in their guidance. The Apostles, seeking to fill Judas' position, selected Matthias; yet there is very little mention of Mathias in scripture and even tradition is vague and sketchy on his accomplishments. God had selected Paul. If total authority had been given to the Apostles to past down as you suggest, then Matthias would have been God’s messenger to the Gentiles-not Paul.

5,619 posted on 05/04/2006 11:12:13 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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To: HarleyD
The Apostles made decisions based upon – not oral teachings – but on what they received directly from God and from God’s guidance

I know it is hard for you, Harley. But it's OK to admit it! Christ spoke to the Apostles orally. God spoke to the Apostles in the form of the Son's oral teachings.

However, I wouldn’t equate anyone in church history on the same level as the twelve apostles.

Nor does the Church. The writings of even the greatest of Church Fathers, St. Augustine or St. Ambrose, are NOT relegated to the role of Scriptures. Consider the difference between "proving" Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. The demands for the latter are much more strict than the former. IF an Apostle wrote it, it was Scriptures. It takes a more thorough study in determining the content of Apostolic Tradition.

Even the apostles didn’t fully understand God’s hand in their guidance.

I don't think the Pope understands everything, either! Who can know the mind of God? Our understanding is rather limited on this side of death.

yet there is very little mention of Mathias in scripture and even tradition is vague and sketchy on his accomplishments.

Yes, my historically-bent mind would love to have read about Mathias' exploits and the other apostles. Sadly, we don't have much info on them. We rest assured that since God appointed them to spread His Word, they were in virtual agreement in their teachings, as Paul mentions in Galatians - "ours is not a man-made religion"...

If total authority had been given to the Apostles to past down as you suggest, then Matthias would have been God’s messenger to the Gentiles-not Paul.

We presume that wherever Matthias went, he ALSO appointed bishops to continue God's teachings, just as Paul did with Timothy in Ephesus and Titus in Crete, since the Apostles were appointed by God and guided by Him. The Apostles didn't operate in a vacuum.

Regards

5,627 posted on 05/04/2006 12:17:38 PM PDT by jo kus (I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart...Psalm 119:32)
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