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To: Forest Keeper
We also know that it is not in His nature to be ignorant, as the text makes Him look in the garden (Adam where are you?)

Not at all. God was being being humble and Fatherly with Adam. He gave Adam every opportunity to repent.

In case of the Flood He was "sorry" and "grieved" that mankind turned the way they did -- I don't think so.

Didn't God create us to eat innocent animals?

No. "Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you" (Genesis 1:12)

Even after God expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden, He said: "Cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you will eat of it. All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field" (Gen 3:17-18)

It is only later that man began killing animals, as the rest of the creation became corrupt by our Ancetral Fall. In fact, the Judaic idea of peace and prosperity to be established by a warrior-king meshiach (messiah) on earth would include cessation of hunting even by predatory animals.

By the way, this is probably why the Orthodox strict fast forbids any animal products for 40 days prior to Nativity (i.e. "Christmas") and Pascha or Resurrection (i.e. "Easter"), and why monastics do not eat meat.

5,310 posted on 04/29/2006 9:28:48 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
God was being humble and Fatherly with Adam. He gave Adam every opportunity to repent.

In case of the Flood He was "sorry" and "grieved" that mankind turned the way they did -- I don't think so.

So, God IN HEAVEN can be humble, but He can't be "sorry" or "grieved"? I tend to agree with you on the latter. But, IMO, God had no cause to be humble to Adam. (Jesus was humble BEFORE man, but not TO him.) Just in my own thoughts, I have believed that God was trying to show something to Adam by calling out to him for his whereabouts. Imagine yourself in Adam's (almost) shoes. :) If you knew that God was God, and you heard Him asking where you were, what would you have thought? I might have thought that something bad was up, and I was in the jackpot.

FK: "Didn't God create us to eat innocent animals?"

No. "Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you" (Genesis 1:12) ... It is only later that man began killing animals, as the rest of the creation became corrupt by our Ancestral Fall.

Wow. I have never heard this view before. I have heard the one that says that God changed the rules after the flood, but I'm not even sure I buy that one.

God wouldn't hand down His law in light of man's corruption would He? God said specifically that lambs and other animals were to be sacrificed, and then what was to be done with them? Weren't the Levites supposed to eat them? His priests? If this was not what God intended, then how could He have commanded it?

The other offer of proof is one YOU, over others, should appreciate. :) This is along the lines of the "birds 'n' bats" discussion we had earlier. God created us as OMNIVORES! If He didn't want us to eat meat, then why did He construct our jaws and teeth as He did?

5,375 posted on 05/02/2006 1:20:52 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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