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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; blue-duncan
For example, I think there is a reason we are not taught to Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and Paul. The truth of the Trinity is not dependent on Tradition, but on reasonable inference on what is in scripture.

FK, I know you don't like this, but the simple historical fact of the matter is that Christ SAID those words of Matthew 28 first, they were passed along ORALLY to the future followers of Christ, and only later, perhaps 20-30 years later, only THEN, did those words get WRITTEN. The simple truth is that the Apostles wrote down the Gospels only many years later. The Christian concept of Baptism did NOT come from the Bible, but from Christ, to the Apostles and given ORALLY. Thus, your logic is mistaken. The Scriptures do NOT dictate what the Church taught, but the Scriptures merely relate what was already being taught...

Thus is Sola Scriptura a farce.

Regards

5,306 posted on 04/29/2006 2:20:39 PM PDT by jo kus (I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart...Psalm 119:32)
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To: jo kus; Forest Keeper
The Christian concept of Baptism did NOT come from the Bible, but from Christ, to the Apostles and given ORALLY. Thus, your logic is mistaken. The Scriptures do NOT dictate what the Church taught, but the Scriptures merely relate what was already being taught...

Very well put, Jo. It is the sequence of transmission of the word of God that the Protestants actually deny -- which is a farce because it is so blatantly wrong.

As I mentioned earlier, the only reason the Church combined inspired texts into what we call the New Testament was to make sure the 200-plus Gnostic "gospels" never got confused with and incorporated into the genuine word of God. The Church selected inspired works based on the knowledge given to the Apostles by word of mouth. That which the Apostles taught in public were the major criteria for inclusion.

That means that the Patriarch of Antioch, St. Ignatius, who was made bishop by none other than St. Peter in person, knew what we now read in the Bible by learning it from the mouth of St. Peter and not reading it in the "Bible" mainly because the only Bible in those days was the Old Testament. The New Testament did not see the light of the day for another three hundred years.

5,312 posted on 04/29/2006 9:54:06 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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