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The Pharisees used the exact same reasoning with Christ.

When did Christ advocate a separate church outside of the Jewish faith? The Gospels appear clear that Jesus came to reform and provide corrective to Judaism, not to overthrow it. He came to FULFILL Judaism. By pointing to the Old Testament prophesies and His own miracles, many people came to understand Him and have faith that He was God's messenger and knew God in a special way, unique from anything else.

Does any reformer claim this pedigree? Where does the reformer point to, perhaps in the New Testament, that says something to the effect that the Church would be in need of disdaining and moving on to another one? What does Paul say about dissension? John? Jesus Himself in Revelation? Perhaps if Luther or Calvin could have given proof of divine intervention to back up their teachings, there might be something worthwhile to look at. But the fact of the matter is that they are ordinary men who read the Scriptures to their own destruction - as Peter prophesized. The reformers are the exact people Paul warned us about who preach a different gospel. The Church even used the same word - anathema - to refer to those men, just as Paul did to those men who allowed false teachings to tickle their ears in his day.

It is ludicrous to compare Luther and Calvin to Jesus Christ. They are much closer in kin to Mohemmed, those who claim to know God's Word, but can't back it up and refer to political power to spread their religion.

The Reformed faith isn't a different faith.

The reformed faith is most certainly a different faith than the first Christians... For example, where and when do you partake in the Body and Blood of Christ? Seems the Church has done it from the first century and continues to today in the apostolic Churches throughout the world. Where does the Early Church talk about Sola Scriptura? Or Sola Fide? Please. The reformed faith is NOT the faith of the early Church. You really think Moses would be proud of the reformers? Go read Numbers 16...

It is faith in the promises of the Father and the objective work of the Son and the internal work of the Holy Spirit and not the external forms of magical incantations.

I am not familiar with magical incantations. Which religion are you talking about?

Regards

4,806 posted on 04/19/2006 9:11:46 AM PDT by jo kus (Stand fast in the liberty of Christ...Do not be entangled AGAIN with a yoke of bondage... Gal 5:1b)
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