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To: kosta50; HarleyD; stripes1776; qua; blue-duncan; AlbionGirl; Kolokotronis; jo kus; annalex; ...
FK: "I don't understand at all where you get the idea that it is not a part of God's will that sometimes men are to dominate other men. It is everywhere in the Bible."

Well, it is everywhere in the Old Testament, but not in the New Testament, which defines Christianity. The NT says we should respect authority, because authority is from God, but it means morally justified authority. The unrighteous cannot claim their authority is from God.

Pilate was obviously NT. In addition, throughout the NT Christians were persecuted and martyred, IOW, dominated. This had to have been the will of God. The faith continued to grow. The alternative is to say that satan's will dominates God's will here on earth.

[continuing] To do so fits right into the whole false argument on this thread by the Calvinists: that the righteous and the unrighteous, one way or another, obey God's will.

This isn't a matter of conscious obedience to God's will. This is a matter of whether or not God's will is actually done on earth. How many billions of prayers have been said to that effect? Did God command us to pray for that in vain?

4,754 posted on 04/18/2006 12:59:40 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; stripes1776; qua; blue-duncan; AlbionGirl; Kolokotronis; jo kus; annalex
In addition, throughout the NT Christians were persecuted and martyred, IOW, dominated. This had to have been the will of God

God did not create man to dominate other men. God simply gave us the power to dominate, the freedom to choose. How we use that poiwer and how we choose determines if our dominion is of God or not. Man has the freedom to reject God.

"The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them." [1 Sam 8:7]

"'But you have today rejected your God, who delivers you from all your calamities and your distresses...'" [1 Sam 10:19]

If the power of Pilate was that of God, Christ would have obeyed it. Instead, He made it clear that Pilate had no power over Him.

4,759 posted on 04/18/2006 3:08:06 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; HarleyD; stripes1776; qua; blue-duncan; AlbionGirl; Kolokotronis; jo kus; ..
Well, it is everywhere in the Old Testament, but not in the New Testament, which defines Christianity.

I doubt very seriously if kosta will get any church/Church father who would say the Old Testament has nothing to do with Christianity.

BTW-It seems to me there was a heretical group that wished to toss out the Old Testament as irrelevant. The reason the Church Fathers kept it in was simply because our Lord Jesus and the Apostles quoted extensively from it. Unfortunately I don't have time to explore this at the moment.

4,762 posted on 04/18/2006 4:37:20 PM PDT by HarleyD ("A man's steps are from the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24 (HNV))
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