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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; annalex; jo kus
... The misuse of that free will lead to the Evil One and his rule over the Earth with his parasitical existence in creation as well as to the Fall. For this reason we can say that mankind, indeed all of creation, has a perfect nature which has become distorted.

I suppose when I think of "perfection" in a person, I think of someone impervious to distortion. Jesus was perfect. That's why I do not think it was even possible for Him to sin. Of course God "can" do whatever He wants, but He tells us clearly that He would never choose to sin, else He would not be God. He would instead be the thing He hates.

Now as for the Evil One being to blame for the Fall, well, yes he is, but both Adam and Eve knew it was wrong to eat the fruit, but they did it anyway. They were the authors of their own fall. The fact that the Evil One played a part doesn't get them, or us, a pass.

This sounds pretty similar to the argument I've been making to Kosta about the difference between God's ordinance and who is the author of sin. I have been saying that while God ordains all things for His purposes, we are still the authors of our own sin. We do not get a pass just because God ordained it. (I'm not saying you would agree with me in substance here, I'm just comparing the types of argument.)

4,585 posted on 04/11/2006 1:03:01 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50

"This sounds pretty similar to the argument I've been making to Kosta about the difference between God's ordinance and who is the author of sin. I have been saying that while God ordains all things for His purposes, we are still the authors of our own sin. We do not get a pass just because God ordained it. (I'm not saying you would agree with me in substance here, I'm just comparing the types of argument.)"

Ah, but FK, Kosta and I don;t believe for a minute that God ordained the Fall. Having foreknowledge of the Sin of Adam and ordering creation as he did in light of that foreknowledge is quite different from ordaining that the Sin occur. I'm with Kosta here. If God ordained the Sin of Adam through which sin and death entered creation, then God and God alone is responsible for what we perceive to be a mess.


4,588 posted on 04/11/2006 1:07:38 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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