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To: kosta50; jo kus; Agrarian; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
[FK to jo kus] The Biblical errors that you and Kosta are claiming are not self-evident. It takes a specific disbelief on your parts to cast those scriptures aside.

When did I say that I don't believe the Scriptures?

I'm not saying that you don't believe in scriptures. :) I am saying that you have declared multiple factual errors in the scriptures, and do not believe that many passages/stories in the Bible are true in full, but only true in part. I disagree and say that without sufficient evidence to the contrary, that the scriptures are meant to be taken at face value in the factual sense. How do you separate which Biblical facts to take literally, and which to take symbolically?

So, why condemn someone who believes Scripture is true and inerrant but not as you see it? I never said I wanted to throw any part out, or intentionally disbelieve?

I wasn't condemning you. :) However, I do have to say that you do throw out a large portion of scripture when you convert plainly stated words to myth or symbolism. You'll keep part of the meaning, but you will also throw out other meaning. As Agrarian said, in effect, parables are fairly easy to spot for their intended purpose. But with the factual sides of the scriptures you want to dismiss, it isn't so easy.

For example, how much of the Book of Numbers would you keep as fact? I mean, if you threw out all the "numbers" and all the lists, and all of the specifications, then you could sum up the whole thing spiritually in maybe one chapter, couldn't you? Do you see that as being God's intended purpose, to make us weed through all that falsity to get, comparatively, a small amount of spiritual truth? In all honesty, I do not. My attitude is that if it is that hard for me to get through end to end, it had better be important! :)

4,442 posted on 04/07/2006 3:48:10 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
I'm not saying that you don't believe in scriptures. :) I am saying that you have declared multiple factual errors in the scriptures, and do not believe that many passages/stories in the Bible are true in full, but only true in part

I see different interpretations of the same books by various Christian groups and even by the Jews who use them. This tells me that none of us has a full understanding of, or can claim biblical literacy.

The Bible does say that all Scripture is good, but doe snot say what precisely is Scripture. We do not agree what is Scripture, we do not read the Scripture the same way and we, individually do not, within our own denominations, understand them the same way. So, the one who knows the Scripture, or who knows what Scripture is, please stand up!

Is Scripture "scripture" simply because we call it that? Is the Koran "scripture?" Is the Book of Mormon? To the Muslims and the Mormons, they are. That means, Scripture is what men consider "scripture." How is that different from my assertions?

4,445 posted on 04/07/2006 4:04:50 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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