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To: jo kus
Who are you to take away God's Freedom to designate men to provide visible manifestations of God's graces among us?

I am merely a humble defender of God's Holy word, and the sovereignty of God. :) I'm not saying that God couldn't do anything He wanted to, I'm saying He wouldn't do this because of the resulting carnage to His word that is necessarily thereby required.

Can you show one verse that PREVENTS God from dealing with men in such a way?

Perhaps not specifically, but you are the champion of things being true that are not in the Bible. I'm just saying that it is not consistent with scripture, as I have shown. Therefore, I don't believe it.

Catholics KNOW they have been forgiven of sin.

But how fleeting is this knowledge. It's not like knowing that 2 + 2 = 4, it is like knowing that it is sunny today, but who knows about tomorrow? My knowledge is like the former.

Protestants always wonder "did my sinner's prayer take?

HA! I don't think so. Ever since I learned about what God has to say about it, I've never had any worries.

4,295 posted on 04/02/2006 8:19:32 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
I'm not saying that God couldn't do anything He wanted to, I'm saying He wouldn't do this because of the resulting carnage to His word that is necessarily thereby required.

You haven't proven that in any case. You seem to believe that the Scriptures can only be read in one way, your way. Any other way is "carnage" to God's Word. I have provided Scripture verses that show that God has delegated power to men to forgive sins. The ancient Church recognized these Scriptures as authority from God to continue His ministry. People practiced it and continue to practice it. Christ's healing is administered through these sacraments, these visible means of grace. There is no carnage here. I believe that you are coming to Scriptures with the preconceived notion that God WILL NOT do such a thing. Thus, when it clearly says "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them", it cannot possibly mean what it says! What can I say? Who is doing the carnage here?

Perhaps not specifically, but you are the champion of things being true that are not in the Bible. I'm just saying that it is not consistent with scripture, as I have shown. Therefore, I don't believe it.

Every verse you have given me so far, I believe I have argued against successfully. Catholicism is consistent with Scripture. It just doesn't fit into YOUR paradigm, so that is why you refuse it. It has nothing to do with "not being consistent" with Scripture. Jesus didn't fit into the Pharisees' paradigm, either. They interpreted Scripture one way and refused to see it any other way. Perhaps if you approached the Bible with an open mind and let the Spirit move you, not Jean Calvin, you might see it more clearly.

My knowledge is like the former.

That is inconsistent with the Scriptures and the idea of perseverance. Would you like another long list of Scripture verses?

I don't think so. Ever since I learned about what God has to say about it, I've never had any worries.

I don't see the point in continuing anymore on this subject. I have amply discussed the false sense of absolute certainty that you hold in contradistinction to the Scriptures' discussion on perseverance and the possibility of falling. There are dozens of Scripture verses that talk about a "saved" person losing their eternal salvation. Saying it doesn't make it so...

Regards

4,311 posted on 04/03/2006 5:42:32 AM PDT by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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