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To: jo kus
I agree. I find this a bit surprising that a Protestant would make this observation, as most I talk to believe in imputed righteousness, rather than a righteousness internal to us as a result of Christ's abiding presence in us.

I wouldn't be surprise. My comment isn't about "imputed" righteousness although I could understand how an Old Testament Jew could come to that conclusion. In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit would "come upon" people and empower people and then it may or may not leave. This is probably how the Jews looked at God and certainly how the Catholics do. God, however has put His Spirit within us and now cause us to walk according to His statues. This was the promise of Eze 18 and 36.

But we are not justified by the Holy Spirit. We are justified by faith. And this faith is a gift from God. Less you want to pull out James and say we are justified by our works, I would also say that there is but one work that we do and that is to believe on the Lord Jesus and that is a gift of God as well.

My comment deals with the last paragraph on my page. We no longer think theocentric any longer. All this nonsense about man's free will has corrupted our thought process and skewed our reading of scripture.

3,961 posted on 03/23/2006 9:46:20 AM PST by HarleyD ("A man's steps are from the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24 (HNV))
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To: HarleyD
But we are not justified by the Holy Spirit. We are justified by faith.

The Spirit is the giver of the gift.

Less you want to pull out James and say we are justified by our works, I would also say that there is but one work that we do and that is to believe on the Lord Jesus

The Devil also "believes" that the Jesus is Lord...I think you'll have to do better than that to describe what it takes to be saved.

We no longer think theocentric any longer. All this nonsense about man's free will has corrupted our thought process and skewed our reading of scripture.

Your opinion is duly noted. But this ignores great chunks of Scripture that talk about MAN obeying God, MAN repenting to God, and MAN believing in God. We know this all comes form God, but this doesn't take man out of the formula. The Scriptures STILL say "{you} repent and believe". WE are held responsible for following this exhortation, not God.

Regards

3,963 posted on 03/23/2006 10:07:36 AM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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