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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
So Jesus could have sinned, but just chose not to??? Lucky us, I suppose. God could have rejected Himself? I do not understand this.

No, I don't think that was theologically possible. Sin is the lack of God or turning away from God - how can God turn away from Himself? Jesus, being human, though, shows us that man CAN resist temptation. The point of this story is not to show "Na, na, I can resist the devil and you can't". It is to show that in our original state, man COULD have said NO to the serpent.

Well, what can I say? I haven't gotten to that lesson yet. It doesn't sound like one I want to learn. :)

The idea that God causes evil makes about as much sense as God giving in to the tempter... I am not aware of any Church Father who has written that God causes evil. This is certainly a Calvinist innovation and corruption of God's Word. We are supposed to believe that "God is Love" who creates and willfully condemns men to eternal hell for absolutely no responsibility that man has, since they cannot choose but evil?

Sad

Regards

3,941 posted on 03/22/2006 3:57:31 PM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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To: jo kus; Kolokotronis
Jesus, being human, though, shows us that man CAN resist temptation. The point of this story is not to show "Na, na, I can resist the devil and you can't". It is to show that in our original state, man COULD have said NO to the serpent.

I'm not sure how your first sentence can work unless you believe that Jesus was born with the sinful nature. Is that what you hold? If so, then doesn't that mean that the man Adam was born in a superior state to that of the man Jesus?

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "could". :) Do you allow for the possibility that Adam "would" have chosen not to sin? I do not. Otherwise, there would have been no need for Jesus, and no need for Christianity. God ordained what God ordained.

This is certainly a Calvinist innovation and corruption of God's Word. We are supposed to believe that "God is Love" who creates and willfully condemns men to eternal hell for absolutely no responsibility that man has, since they cannot choose but evil?

Well, I do believe that God passes over some, and does not give the grace they would need to be saved. But I place no duty on God to give such grace to anyone. He is the potter, and I'm just thankful that He chose to give it to some.

4,063 posted on 03/26/2006 4:35:14 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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