[HarleyD]

First, the term “dead in sin” does not mean that man’s WILL is destroyed.

The body's dead. The soul is dead. The will is alive??? What will??? Man's will. Man can will to do good??? If this isn't Pelagianism I don't know what is.

CANON 1: If anyone denies that it is the whole man, that is, both body and soul, that was "changed for the worse" through the offense of Adam's sin, but believes that the freedom of the soul remains unimpaired and that only the body is subject to corruption, he is deceived by the error of Pelagius (Orange)

This canon tells that man’s will is NOT unimpaired, but not that it is destroyed!

Do you see anywhere in the Canon where the "will" is mentioned? I don't. I thought man was only body and soul-not body, soul and will.

CANON 19: That a man can be saved only when God shows mercy.Human nature, even though it remained in that sound state in which it was created, could by no means save itself, without the assistance of the Creator; hence since man cannot safe- guard his salvation without the grace of God, which is a gift, how will he be able to restore what he has lost without the grace of God? Again, man’s nature is not destroyed. It is damaged in that it needs God to receive sanctifying grace and be saved for eternal life. Man cannot come to God without God. But man’s nature is not destroyed or totally corrupted.

I find nothing I disagree with. But you apply this to EVERY man which simply isn't true. Canon 19 states this is true when God shows mercy to an individual. Man cannot come to God unless God shows an individual mercy. And when man comes to God, they will come to God.

The Council of Trent on this subject agrees.

Nonsense. The Council of Trent plainly states, "by his own free will" as you've underlined. Orange plainly states God must show mercy to an individual. Trent implies this mercy is applied to everyone and man must act which isn't true.

As usual, you forgot a key element of the quote and insert your ellipses…

I can't post every scripture and comment on every theological comment.

First, read Canon III of Trent:

I've read Trent-many times. It doesn't change. It's Arminian in belief. Some of it is good. Some of it is not so good.

Second, you ignore Scripture when it says that man can ignore the Graces of God

No, I would use the very clear passage:

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44

God draws us. He gives us faith. He doesn't do this for everyone.

I believe your error is that you consider man’s will destroyed as a result of original sin, when the Church never made such a statement.

There are two wills in the Bible. The one that is mostly discussed is the will of the Father. There are a few passages scatter about on man's will. It is usually hidden in verses like, "There is none who does good, not even one." Man's will is not destroyed; it's corrupted.

[jo kus]

The body's dead. The soul is dead. The will is alive??? What will??? Man's will. Man can will to do good??? If this isn't Pelagianism I don't know what is.

Dead in sin talks about the lack of God's presence in our soul, not an ontological concept in where the intellect and will are destroyed. They are unable to turn to a way of life that God has created for them without God's presence. Man can do morally good things - even atheists sometimes obey the Commandments. But man cannot be pleasing in God's eyes because an unregenerated man does not have FAITH. One must possess faith to please God - even though a man (for impure motives) may do something that is morally good.

Do you see anywhere in the Canon where the "will" is mentioned? I don't. I thought man was only body and soul-not body, soul and will.

Canon 1 "...freedom of the soul remains unimpaired and that only the body is subject to corruption...{is anathema}"

The soul consists of the will and the intellect. These things remains after the physical body dies.

I find nothing I disagree with. But you apply this to EVERY man which simply isn't true. Canon 19 states this is true when God shows mercy to an individual. Man cannot come to God unless God shows an individual mercy. And when man comes to God, they will come to God.

Again, God's mercy interacts with man. There is some sort of cause and effect between the two that Scripture is clear on. Often times, Scripture talks about "turn to God and He will turn to you" or "repent, and God will bless you". WE both agree that it is not man causing God's blessings to come upon the man. However, there is some sort of interaction in how God chooses to bless men in the first place. I disagree that God only blesses a select few number of people.

Trent implies this mercy is applied to everyone and man must act which isn't true.

Again, I disagree that God is not merciful.

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44 God draws us. He gives us faith. He doesn't do this for everyone.

Again, I disagree. God gives everyone grace. It is man's rejection that discontinues God's drawing. Look to the parable of the Sower of the Seed. God's Word fell on all ground, not only the good ground. Man's desire to not utilize the gifts given him resulted in a failed yield.

Man's will is not destroyed; it's corrupted.

I would agree with that. Without God, it will remain "dead" - without the possibility of eternal life.

Regards