[annalex]

It looks like you are saying that if someone has free will (Adam), then God could not have ordained the fall.

I am saying that one can do semantics over "ordain but not cause" all day long, but they won't be scriptural. Adam and all the rest of us are shown in the Scripture to have free will, and God is never shown in the Scripture ordering anything evil, even as He, of course, created all agents of evil. Beyond that is extrascriptural speculation and being not Calvinist I do not go there.

[Forest Keeper]

Adam and all the rest of us are shown in the Scripture to have free will, and God is never shown in the Scripture ordering anything evil, even as He, of course, created all agents of evil.

I would agree that we have relative free will to sin. I totally agree with you on the rest.