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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD
You seem pretty confident for a guy who can't even BEGIN to explain how any of this works! :)

I've been trying to explain it for the past 750 posts, it seems...Sorry if I am inadequate to the task.

You make un-Biblical declaratory statements and say "There you go..."

The Bible makes statements that tell us that God interacts with time differently than man does. You ignore that. IF God is eternal, He is timeless and not subject to time. I have tried to explain what this means to you. Again, sorry if you aren't getting it.

God is outside of time, so we Catholics don't have to face any difficult questions about the theology concerning election." It's a mystery, and anyone questioning it is naive. What a neat package.

I detect sarcasm. Again, I apologize for not explaining it so you could understand what things such as "eternity" and "transcendant" means. Apparently, you are having a difficult time letting go of the idea that "eternity" means a really long time. Thus, you place God within time, along a timeline, if you will, one that He is ahead of us on.

Regards

3,557 posted on 03/14/2006 12:01:34 PM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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To: jo kus
The Bible makes statements that tell us that God interacts with time differently than man does. You ignore that. IF God is eternal, He is timeless and not subject to time. I have tried to explain what this means to you. Again, sorry if you aren't getting it.

I have never had a problem with the fact that God is not subject to time, or that He interacts with it differently than we do. I do have a problem with your side's use of that fact to wish away a big theological problem that you have about free will. Is your idea of simultaneity found anywhere in scripture? I don't think that it is. But, this idea is very useful to you in explaining free will, isn't it? This un-biblical idea allows you to erase all the scriptures that speak of God choosing us, and that is the reason we are saved. It's not the concept I object to, it's the use of the concept.

3,701 posted on 03/18/2006 1:56:03 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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