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To: kosta50; stripes1776
"...the Council of Orange was a local council, like the Council of Toledo (filioque). Cassian was never anathematized by the Church."

Stripes is correct but that doesn't change the fact that someone was holding heretical views*; either the Council of Orange or Cassian. There was a distinct disagreement between the two. BTW-I think this is an excellent illustration of how the western Church allowed two completely and seperate views to co-exist in the early Church until they wrongly IMO booted out the Council of Orange version.

(*Please keep in mind I use heretical views as error in doctrine.)

3,502 posted on 03/13/2006 4:26:58 AM PST by HarleyD ("A man's steps are from the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24 (HNV))
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To: HarleyD; kosta50
that doesn't change the fact that someone was holding heretical views*; either the Council of Orange or Cassian. There was a distinct disagreement between the two.

That disagreement concerns the nature of man, but you can't talk about man without implying your beliefs about God.

*Please keep in mind I use heretical views as error in doctrine.

Taking one facet of Christian doctrine and exaggerating it to the point where it takes up your entire view and eclipses every other aspect of a long and rich theological tradition is error.

3,510 posted on 03/13/2006 8:19:27 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: HarleyD
Stripes is correct but that doesn't change the fact that someone was holding heretical views* (*Please keep in mind I use heretical views as error in doctrine)

Understood. We use it in the same sense; no offense taken. By the same token, the filioque was a heresy that was allowed to co-exist and was not addressed until it was too late.

The Orthodox Church holds to this date that man is spiritually "sick" but not dead. I has never changed its teaching as far as I know.

But what is one to make when a heretic calls another heretic (in the same spirit as you did)? :)

3,523 posted on 03/13/2006 9:48:47 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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