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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; jo kus; Kolokotronis
You believe in one of man's versions of the Scriptures.

Just about for every verse there is a verse that seems to counter it, HD.

Because we only know "in part" we do not claim to have all the answers

Wrong, HD. I believe in consensus patrumGiven, but that applies to all people, not just the "elect."


3,458 posted on 03/11/2006 11:04:51 AM PST by HarleyD ("A man's steps are from the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24 (HNV))
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To: HarleyD
How many versions of the same verse would you like me to post?

Gen 4:7 (your OT)

"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

Gen 4:7 (LXX)

"Hast thou not sinned if thou hast brought it rightly, but not rightly divided it? Be still, to thee shall be his submission, and thou shalt rule over him."

Surely, God did not dictate this to two different people, HD.

I have a good explanation for about 98% of them

Whatever.

It is quite another position to read a verse like "A man's steps are from the Lord.." and turn right around and say their not

I think one of the Catholic posters (either jo kus or annalex) already posted Philippians 1:22, which you choose to ignore. You have asked this question ad nauseum, triumphalistically I may say, as if you discovered something no one else knows. You see, God gives us everything, including our intellect and will, so in that sense our steps are from God, as is everything else, but He doesn't think or choose for us.

And just because we know where all this comes from does not mean we understand anything as it really is.

You believe with everyone that sides with Cassian. I believe with everyone that sides with Augustine

Wrong again, HD. You side with some who side with +Augustine.

Do you believe that God will send people to hell and what is your concept of hell?

The unrepenetant hearts will end in hell, but not because God wants them there.

3,465 posted on 03/11/2006 9:36:21 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD; kosta50
I have a good explanation for about 98% of them. I'm not telling you where the other 2% are. You have a good explanation for about 2% of them. I know where the other 98% are.

That's why I love Protestants! They claim infallibility for themselves, while Catholics and Orthdox claim infallibility only for the Church. It seems apparent from Scripture that only the humble will be exalted. Maybe you should redo your math. I haven't seen any response for NUMEROUS Scripture regarding the universality of grace and the ability for man to turn away from God's graces.

Regards

3,512 posted on 03/13/2006 8:23:11 AM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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