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To: jo kus
Not ALL the people came out to Him. Matthew sat at his tax booth. Is the Bible in error or perhaps it is a figure of expression?

As for 1 John 2:2 you left off 1 John 2:1:

Our Lord Jesus is NOT an Advocate with the Father for non-believers. The interpretation of "whole world" can only mean the "whole world" of Christians given the entire context of 1 John 2.

Not all....

The word "Believe" implies an ongoing activity, not just a one-time declaration.

Of course belief is an ongoing activity. Where do you think your faith came from to believe in the first place? Who do you think gives you the faith to continue? It all comes from God.

The "problem" is that we disagree what it says, don't we? Christ had plenty of foresight when He appointed an authoritative body to bind and loosen, didn't He?

Even with an authoritative body they still can't get it right. The Pharisees found that out. ;O)
3,446 posted on 03/10/2006 6:21:03 PM PST by HarleyD ("A man's steps are from the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24 (HNV))
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To: HarleyD
Not ALL the people came out to Him. Matthew sat at his tax booth. Is the Bible in error or perhaps it is a figure of expression?

It seems obvious that this is a figure of expression - unless when the author says "all", he is refering to those in the immediate vicinity who saw the Teacher. This is the problem with interpretation. Sometimes, it is not so clear what the author means.

Our Lord Jesus is NOT an Advocate with the Father for non-believers. The interpretation of "whole world" can only mean the "whole world" of Christians given the entire context of 1 John 2.

I don't see that in 1 John 2:1, which is why I "left it off". 1 John is written to Christians, certainly. But I don't see anywhere in 1 John 2:1 that makes your claim that non-believers do NOT have an advocate in Jesus. You are jumping to conclusions and twisting Scripture. In one sentence, you have Jesus advocating only for believers, then in the very next sentence, He has died for the sins of ALL men, the whole world.

Not all.... re: Rom5

Not all will use God's gifts. Isn't it clear that not everyone will be saved, due to their disregarding what is clear to ALL men (Rom 1:18-26)?

Of course belief is an ongoing activity. Where do you think your faith came from to believe in the first place? Who do you think gives you the faith to continue? It all comes from God.

My point is not the origin of my faith, but the perseverance. IF there is no perseverance, where does that logically leave me?

1Pe 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again

I don't have problems with that interpretation. I have told you time and again that we believe that God makes the first step and takes the initiative to justify us. YOU presume that because of this initial justification, a person cannnot lose their standing with God - thus, you tie your initial justification with being of the elect. Unfortunately, experience shows us that some fall away AFTER being "regenerated" - which forces you to twist Scritpure to make the claim that "one was never regenerated to begin with".

The question: What caused that person to do good deeds and praise the Lord, etc., during those ten years when they were Christian, before their falling away, returning to the vomit. Your theology will not let you admit that it was Christ and ONLY Christ that enabled that person to be in the Lord, to abide in Him during that period. You totally discount the idea that a person can do no good without Christ - to maintain your false belief that a person cannot fall away after regeneration.

Regards

3,501 posted on 03/13/2006 4:19:24 AM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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