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To: kosta50; HarleyD
I will do this one more time, FK, and make it as simple as possible. According to your theology the following must be true:

(1) what God wills, God makes

(2) everything that exists is according to His will

(3) ergo, God wills and makes everything including sin/evil

Yet you take exception to evil being of God, which is not consistent. Show me why is everything for God's pleasure, and purpose, except evil.

Yes, I take full exception to evil being of God, and disagree with your three steps. You are speaking of evil as if it were a thing, like a rock. It is not. Rather, evil the absence of a thing, namely God, just as a hole is the absence of dirt, darkness is the absence of light, or cold is the absence of heat. All are real, of course, but they are not "created" in the normal sense, they occur because something is removed.

Since God cannot be removed from Himself, there is no evil He can "make". Those who are not of the elect will choose evil (separation) because that is in their nature through the original sin. Those of the elect, after salvation, may choose to separate occasionally, but God always brings them back into the fold.

If you can not resist God, then if God says to you "kill your children for My pleasure and purpose" you would do it? Preposterous, right?

I would pray for the faith of Abraham. :)

Well, then, explain to me how does Calvinism or whatever it is that you propose here, explain Hitler? Was he doing God's work unto His pleasure and purpose?

Hitler is the result of satan being the "god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4). God allowed Hitler, just as He allowed satan to temporarily ruin Job. Therefore, if it was anyone's work besides Hitler's, it was satan's work, not God's work.

3,343 posted on 03/07/2006 4:21:33 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; jo kus; annalex; HarleyD
"It is not. Rather, evil the absence of a thing, namely God, just as a hole is the absence of dirt, darkness is the absence of light, or cold is the absence of heat. All are real, of course, but they are not "created" in the normal sense, they occur because something is removed."

Sorry, FK, wrong. Evil is quite real, very tangible and substantial. You recite, I am sure, the Lord's Prayer. In English, the final words are "...but deliver us from evil." The original Greek says, "alla rusai hmas apo tou ponhrou", "...but deliver us from the evil ONE."

Evil, my brother, is not merely the absence of something, even the "absence" of God (which is of course an impossibility)

3,345 posted on 03/07/2006 4:52:03 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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