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To: HarleyD; annalex; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; jo kus; Agrarian; Kolokotronis
Would you disagree with the Douay-Rheims version that the Lord did NOT guide Adam's steps?

To do what? To sin? You simply keep reiterating what I have been saying about your Reformed theology all along: to you God is the author and cause of sin, although you and your kind vehemently deny it. God can only lead us to do good; never to sin. Yet your sentence clearly shows that you believe otherwise: God "ordained" Adam to fall and actively led him, step, by step, into sin (and Adam was unable to resist his own downfall).

But the Scripture says exactly the opposite. God guides Adam (and Eve) away from the tree. That is the extent of His ordination of Adam and Eve. But He also keeps the tree and even allows the serpant into the Garden. Why is that, HD?

He does that for the simple reason that, in order for man to have dominion on earth (in the image of God), he must be able to make decisions, and he must make them morally good (in the likeness of God). For a decision to be valid and morally right, the decision-maker must possess a free intellect (using God as the measure of goodness) to will and to act. Without the tree, Adam and Eve are indeed imbecils who can't decide or do anything. That's not how God created humans.

So, Adam and Eve make bad decisions, they are new at this, and what does God do? He comes to Adam in an non-threatening manner, humbling Himself and pretending he doesn't know where Adam is hiding, or what He did. He is doing that because He wants Adam to confess and repent. he is giving Adam a second chance, an opporutnity to redeem himself.

Instead, Adam commits sin again and blames God (shaking that fist at God syndrome) for giving him the woman who caused him to eat the forbidden fruit. And when God gives Eve a chance to confess (blame herself first), and repent, she blames it on the devil! Neither one will take the responsability for their poor choice (our fallen nature). And, Calvinsits seem to side with Adam by saying — God made him do it! Geeez!

3,306 posted on 03/06/2006 4:38:32 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Calvinsits seem to side with Adam by saying — God made him do it!

With the scriptural support of a mistranslated verse from Proverbs, as if the book of Genesis was not clear enough.

3,307 posted on 03/06/2006 4:47:29 PM PST by annalex
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