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To: jo kus; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; P-Marlowe; qua; ears_to_hear
"{YOU} work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,..."

Yes. We're instructed to remain aware of our total dependence on Christ who has determined our salvation and delivered us from eternal death by His sacrifice alone.

The verse you site refers to our progressive sanctification -- we persevere by His work in us, ever mindful of the alternative. Humility (and fear and trembling) come from knowing our redemption depends not on our good works (of which we have none) or any implementation of earthly requirements, but on the accomplished work of Christ risen from the cross.

All of which puts a church hierarchy at a real disadvantage. Because we're not supposed to fear the church or the priest or the pastor or any loss of sacramental availability. We are supposed to singularly fear the God who gives life and who takes life, at His discretion alone.

You, OTOH, completely disregard the clear meaning of Phil. 2:13. And after all this time on this thread, I'm now aware you guys do this repeatedly. When offered Scripture which denies your position, you simply ignore it and go on to something else.

As God wills.

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Philippians 2:13

Seems clear to me. All of Him; none of me; and certainly none of any magisterial accomplishment.

3,158 posted on 03/02/2006 9:36:44 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Yes. We're instructed to remain aware of our total dependence on Christ who has determined our salvation and delivered us from eternal death by His sacrifice alone.

Of course. But where does it say God does everything? Where does it say we are not required to choose the good or the evil? See the tagline, sister.

All of which puts a church hierarchy at a real disadvantage. Because we're not supposed to fear the church or the priest or the pastor or any loss of sacramental availability. We are supposed to singularly fear the God who gives life and who takes life, at His discretion alone.

Again, you set up a false dichotomy that doesn't exist - the Church vs. Christ. Sister, don't you realize that Christ established the Church for the express purpose to bring people of the 1st century to today and beyond into the Kingdom? Why does "your" side continuously decapitate the Body of Christ from the Head of Christ?

You, OTOH, completely disregard the clear meaning of Phil. 2:13.

Because I don't subscribe to the "Gospel ACCORDING TO Dr. Eckleburg" doesn't mean I disregard the clear meaning. I understand fully that God and men cooperate in the salvation of mankind. Regarding denial, I have heard it all from you and others - again, explain my tagline and MANY others like it. I am continuously ignored by you and your ilk.

This disagreement is a clear indication that Scripture is not so clear without an authoritative Body to interpret it. Even you must accept that as fact.

Regards

3,159 posted on 03/02/2006 11:33:53 AM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Philippians 2:13

It might be beneficial to post the entire passage so they can see their error.

Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, .nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

3,196 posted on 03/03/2006 6:19:33 PM PST by ears_to_hear
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