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To: stripes1776
That is largely a Calvinist claim [that men cannot lose their salvation]. As you statement is written, it simply isn't true. The majority of Protestants are not Calvinists.

I was not aware of that. I have talked with many different Protestants, and they all seem to believe "once saved -always saved" theology. On this thread, the gentleman is a Baptist, not of the Reformed side. (I don't know if Baptists fit on either side of classical Protestantism). Could you please explain a bit your beliefs on this subject so that I am able to better qualify my statements on this subject in the future.

Thanks and sorry for my generalizations on your own beliefs.

Regards

3,064 posted on 02/28/2006 4:22:15 AM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus
Could you please explain a bit your beliefs on this subject

I have done that numerous times on this thread. Since you are not reading all of the posts, you can start with post 2483. But here is a cut and paste of that first post on this subject to save a little time:

The majority of Methodists believe in free will, including the many churches derived from Methodism, such as Pentecostals and Assemblies of God. The same is true of those churches derived from the Brethren and Anabaptists movements in Europe. This includes churches as diverse as Mennonite, Amish, Church of the Brethren, and Quaker.

The situation is more complex among Baptists, but many do believe in free will, including General Baptists and Free Will Baptists. As for those churches founded on the theology of Luther and Calvin like Lutherans and Presbyterians, some members do believe in free will. And whatever the beliefs of the early churchmen of the Church of England, today many Anglicans--perhaps a majority--believe in free will (mainly I think from the influence of Methodism on the one hand and the Oxford Movement on the other.)

In Protestant theology, a belief in free will is called Arminian, named after Jacobus Arminius, a Dutch Reformed churchman who rejected much of Calvin's theology, including predestination. In Arminianism, grace is a gift that can be accepted or rejected. It can also be lost without a renewal of the will.

You might find it interesting to note that John Wesley, the founder of Methodism and an Anglican priest who never left the Church of England, took much inspiration from the theology of the Orthodox Church.The majority of Protestants today subscribe to a belief in free will.

So, the majority of Protestants don't believe in predestination or once saved, always saved.

Could you please explain a bit your beliefs on this subject so that I am able to better qualify my statements on this subject in the future.

It is not just my beliefs. I am talking about the majority of Protestants. You can also speak to Forest Keeper, HarleyD, and kosta50 about this.

3,074 posted on 02/28/2006 7:59:00 AM PST by stripes1776
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