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To: kosta50
In your theology, God creates evil for His own purpose -- whatever that might be. Because evil exists, it must be because God wills it to exist, so He is the source and cause of evil as well as of everything else.

Kosta, I have given you our position many times that God does not create evil. You choose to ignore me and all the other posters on my side in this thread. We all have been perfectly consistent. If you don't want to even understand our side, then you don't. I can't fix that.

As for your acrobatics about the verb "believe" -- Scriptures simply say that those who believe will be saved.

If only you "believed" that, we'd be fine on this issue! :) But you can't because I think you believe that "belief" is not enough and must be supplemented by a series of free will good deeds and free will partaking of sacraments. You have not convinced me that your position is that belief is enough to be saved.

If you are accusing me of "acrobatics", then we need to look at your statement that I was responding to:

In fact your entire theory that God doesn't allow those who believe to fall is proven wrong exactly with the fallen angels, for they surely believe in God, yet they fell.

I really thought you were kidding with this, but apparently you were not. So, this coupled with your above statement "... Scriptures simply say that those who believe will be saved" is quite a paradox, isn't it? The fallen angels did "believe", as you used the term, and yet they were damned. So, that shoots out your Bible quote. How is this reconciled?

2,936 posted on 02/23/2006 1:47:47 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
I really thought you were kidding with this, but apparently you were not

FK, faith is required so that we may become Christ-like and be saved, but faith alone is not enough to make you Christ-like. That was my point. Even satan believes in God, but that belief will do nothing for a sinner unless he is willing to change, unless he asks God to help him along, and cooperates with God's will.

It's not enough to say "I want to lose weight." You must follow up your resolution with concrete steps to lose weight. That's why +James says "show me your faith". It's one thing to believe but if that belief is not coupled with concrete steps that lead you to become Chirst-like, it is an empty faith; theosis is achieved by living the faith.

2,944 posted on 02/23/2006 3:55:42 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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