That which is created is a creature. That which is divine is uncreated. I am beginning to believe you are rather new at this, since you are not familiar with much of the standard theological vocabulary.
You are correct. I am very new at this. In fact, this is my first real theological discussion on this level with those with whom I disagree, ever. And, I am not ashamed. Everyone has to start somewhere.
FK: 'I would respectfully disagree about "begotten" because I see it as referring to the "man" Jesus, who was obviously "begotten". I would say that "The Son" was in full existence well before He was "begotten" '
If that is what you believe, you are not a Christian. Jesus is Incarnate; the Son is begotten from the Father. You are making up your own theology as you go along, FK, that much is obvious.
Thanks a lot! :), and I'm not even sure what part you are saying is un-Christian. As Jo and I have been recently discussing, I have been using "begotten" in the sense of "to sire" or "to cause to exist". Jo has another view, which is fine. However, Jo and I agree that the Son and the Father had no beginning and neither existed before the other. If this is your beef then you are calling all Catholics un-Christian along with me.
I didn't disagree with that. I only said that "begotten" doesn't refer to the Incarnation. The Father DOES "cause" the Son to exist. But this is outside of time. Thus, there is not a time when the Son does not exist that the Father does exist. Begotten means that the Logos, the Wisdom of the Father, was brought into existence out of the essence of the Father. The Logos is "God from God, as Light from Light, true God from true God". The Logos was begotten, not created. Created refers to something in time and generally does not refer to a COMPLETE and TOTAL passing of all qualities to the other. Look carefully at the Creed - Light from light...
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