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To: kosta50; HarleyD; jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg
FK: "My side doesn't think that God takes control of our will to be sinless after salvation."

That's a new one, FK! I thought the theology of double predestination, that your friend Harley D preaches, and with whom you fully agree so far, states that God is always in control of everything and that we are just the way He made us.

And my friend HarleyD preaches it exceedingly well! :) God absolutely is always in control of everything. For His own reasons He chooses not to control His elect to be sinless after salvation. We sin, therefore, God did not intend to control us in this manner. He could have, but chose not to. That's all.

Unless you presuppose free will, you will run into contradiction such as the one you made above. God is either in control or is not; ...

You're right! And, just like the song says, God IS in control. There is no contradiction. God makes the choices, He is sovereign. You are arguing that God is not in control. How can a moral God create something over which He has no control? This does not describe an all-powerful God. There is much more to be said on this, but perhaps it should wait for another thread.

2,848 posted on 02/20/2006 2:46:43 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; jo kus; annalex; Kolokotronis; Cronos
God absolutely is always in control of everything...

Ah, you missed the point, FK. I was being sarcastic. You feel that God is not in control if He allows free will, so you impute that He doesn't.

2,850 posted on 02/20/2006 3:38:05 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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