[HarleyD]

All this [several verses from FK attempting to show that Jesus Himself claimed to be God], and you still have not shown me where Jesus says, I quote: "I am God." You misquoted. ... This is not in the Scripture.

Ah, but it is in the very earliest creeds of the Church attested to by many of the Church fathers. I'd like to know if our Orthodox and Catholic friends are in agreement that Jesus is God.

[Kolokotronis]

" Ah, but it is in the very earliest creeds of the Church attested to by many of the Church fathers."

Which is precisely the point, HD. Sola Scriptura just doesn't cut it.

[jo kus]

Kosta wrote :All this [several verses from FK attempting to show that Jesus Himself claimed to be God], and you still have not shown me where Jesus says, I quote: "I am God." You misquoted. ... This is not in the Scripture.

Harley wrote : Ah, but it is in the very earliest creeds of the Church attested to by many of the Church fathers. I'd like to know if our Orthodox and Catholic friends are in agreement that Jesus is God.

Harley, I believe brother Kosta is making a statement that "Jesus is God" is never mentioned in the Gospels - and thus, we rely on Apostolic Tradition (the Creed) to interpret the Scripture. Sure, we believe that Jesus is God. But that is because of HOW we read the Scriptures, (despite all of those subordinate verses, or Prov 8:28 that Arius thought pointed to a time when the Logos was not) understanding them to mean unequivocaly that Jesus is God, not an angel, not a demi-god, but of the divine essence - light from light, true God from true God.

Regards