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To: kosta50; jo kus; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex
But, HD, if the devil, by your theology, is necessarily God's obedient servant doing simply God's will, why would God come to destroy him?

The only way we can understand God's grace is to understand God's wrath. There are vessels of wrath created for their destruction:

I will add this to this puzzlement, it is my personal belief that everyone will be exactly where they want to be. Consequently the rich man who looked at Abraham from the depths of hell never asked to be removed from the flaming torment. He only asked Abraham to quench his tongue.
2,557 posted on 02/12/2006 4:10:33 PM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: HarleyD; jo kus; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex
I will add this to this puzzlement, it is my personal belief that everyone will be exactly where they want to be

That's odd, coming from a Calvinist.

Nonetheless, your quotes are appreciated, but luckily the Church never took isolated quotes and stopped, but kept on reading. God's message must be understood in its entirety, as contained in the Church Tradition, and not in isolated quotes.

2,560 posted on 02/12/2006 5:04:21 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex
The only way we can understand God's grace is to understand God's wrath. There are vessels of wrath created for their destruction:

God's wrath upon the unrighteous...

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; Romans 1:24-28

What is interesting is that God reproves those whom He loves, and allows those who have turned from Him to continue in their ways of self-destruction. Thus, men DO choose the vomit - and God allows them to destroy themselves. That is His wrath. His love is to punish us as a father does His son.

Regards

2,579 posted on 02/13/2006 4:04:53 AM PST by jo kus
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