[HarleyD]

Oh yes, there were plenty of Calvinsits "back then", and they even called themselves Calvinsits or perhaps Presbyterians, given that Elder Cleopa served God in the communist-enslaved Romania in the second half of the 20th century!

Sorry, I don't consider Elder Cleopa a "church father" if he lived in the second half of the 20th century. That's like tell me what the Pope Pius has to say about Vatican I. It's meaningless since all he is going to do is parrot the Church's line. There is no real critical thought. To plop his name in among the other REAL church fathers is a bit dishonest and only reinforces that he bought into the Pelagius lie.

If you want to tell me what St. John Cassian has to say then I'm open for discussion. Of course he was condemned by the Council of Orange as a heretic. But, then again, you guys don't buy into all that Council of Orange stuff.

[kosta50]

Sorry, I don't consider Elder Cleopa a "church father" if he lived in the second half of the 20th century

First, I introduced Elder Cleopa as a Romanian monk, not as a "church father." Anyone with even a basic knoweldge of the world would know that Romania did not exist in the 5th century.

Second, you are least qualified to decide who is a leigitmate "church father" or, for that matter, what is a "church father" because you are not even in the Church. You are your own self-appointed "pope!"