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To: kosta50; jo kus; annalex
FK: "I believe sanctification only begins after salvation is accomplished."

So, you are saved from death first and then purified? That's a new one! I think your logic is reversed.

Sanctification means to be set apart and/or made holy. God obviously touches us before we can become saved, but this is a different concept. This is from the Southern Baptist Convention website:

"Sanctification is the experience, beginning in regeneration, by which the believer is set apart to God's purposes, and is enabled to progress toward moral and spiritual maturity through the presence and power of the Holy Spirit (Holy Spirit: The third person in the Trinity; Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit after his Crucifixion and Resurrection; it came on Pentecost) dwelling in him. Growth in grace should continue throughout the regenerate person's life."

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But it is becoming clear to me why you think the way you think. The biblical tense of a word "saved" is one of future, of something that has not occurred yet, and not of an accomplished act. Yet the English term in most English-language bibles is one of something that has already been accomplished! ... Your whole theology, which begins rather than ends with salvation, is founded on a term interpreted in a wrong tense.

Well, I'm not in a position to argue about verb forms in languages I do not know. However, if what you are saying is all there is to it, then a core holding of most Protestants would be worthless. It would mean that ALL of the most brilliant Protestant minds who have variously lived throughout the centuries, people who knew these languages 10 times better than either one of us, they all were wrong in order for you to be right.

I can appreciate if that is what you believe, but I also cannot accept that it is not disputed by men way smarter and holier than I am now. If I'm not mistaken, I believe I have even heard Catholics on this thread say that the word "save" appears in all three tenses in the Bible. Regardless, that is what I believe.

2,363 posted on 02/08/2006 3:14:18 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; jo kus; annalex

"Sanctification is the experience, beginning in regeneration, by which the believer is set apart to God's purposes, and is enabled to progress toward moral and spiritual maturity through the presence and power of the Holy Spirit (Holy Spirit: The third person in the Trinity; Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit after his Crucifixion and Resurrection; it came on Pentecost) dwelling in him. Growth in grace should continue throughout the regenerate person's life."

FK, in general this sounds very Orthodox.


2,366 posted on 02/08/2006 3:42:03 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50

In 2,302 I went to a search engine and sorted out the occurences of "saved" by tense. Some are in the present tense; the issue is, are they in a continuous mood. Yes, they are, as other scripture shows, but no, it is not as simple as figuring out the grammatical tense.


2,378 posted on 02/08/2006 11:16:52 AM PST by annalex
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