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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
Since Jesus never sinned, I would say that His divinity trumped His humanity on many things

I am not sure if your views reflect Apollonarian or Monothelite heresy, or both for that matter. The former (4th century) held that Jesus Christ had human body and a divine nature, and the latter (7th century) that He had two natures but one (divine) will.

Trumpling His own will would be unthinkable in a perfect union of two natures in one Person of our Savior.

Also, the concept of fear involves doubt and uncertainty. I don't believe that Jesus had these characteristics.

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" This is the most chilling moment in the entire Gospel. It is here that He takes on the sin of the hole world and finds Himself separated from His own essence. He was saying the same thing we say when we feel that God has become "distant" (when in fact we have distanced ourselves from Him). Jesus fully experienced all that we experience, including pain, hungar and death. Or do you deny that He actually died?

And while He was without sin, Jesus was mortal because He was fully human. If He was mortal, He was subject to passions and corruption, the ultimate of which is death.

2,327 posted on 02/06/2006 3:29:42 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; HarleyD
Trumping His own will would be unthinkable in a perfect union of two natures in one Person of our Savior.

So, then the nature of a man and the divine nature are equal in your eyes?

FK: "Also, the concept of fear involves doubt and uncertainty. I don't believe that Jesus had these characteristics."

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" This is the most chilling moment in the entire Gospel. It is here that He takes on the sin of the hole world and finds Himself separated from His own essence.

I know this is a tricky area and Jesus did take on all of our sins, but I don't think it's a slam dunk that He was expressing fear in your quote. When you are in pain and express fear in the moment, do you usually do so by quoting scripture?:

Ps. 22:1 : "1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?"

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Or do you deny that He actually died?

No, Jesus did not actually die. He was only wounded. His friends took Him away and healed Him. Then, they wrapped Him up in a burial shroud, gave Him a straw to breathe through, an IV for nourishment, and buried Him for three days. On the third day, Jesus simply rolled back the two ton stone from the inside (Jesus worked out.). The Roman guards freaked and split, knowing there would be no consequences for them leaving their posts. The rest is history.

2,465 posted on 02/09/2006 9:49:57 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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