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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
...does this mean that a soul doomed to hell will be without body?

At the Final Judgment, all bodies are resurrected and re-united with their souls, for life-everlasting. The doomed will live forever too, but separated from God.

God's hand is strong, but not strong enough to overcome our desires

You Protestants are so Pharisaical! Your arguments are like those of the High Priest on Golgotha telling Christ "If You are the Son of God, step down from that Cross and we shall believe in you." Or words to the effect "What kind of a God is He if He can't smite these Romans who are flogging Him?"

It's a humanistic vision of God, made in our image, FK.

2,299 posted on 02/05/2006 6:09:44 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
FK: "God's hand is strong, but not strong enough to overcome our desires..."

You Protestants are so Pharisaical! Your arguments are like those of the High Priest on Golgotha telling Christ "If You are the Son of God, step down from that Cross and we shall believe in you." Or words to the effect "What kind of a God is He if He can't smite these Romans who are flogging Him?"

I was paraphrasing your +John Chrysostomos in Homily VI on Phillipians:

"As long as we are in the hand of God, “no one is able to pluck us out” (John x. 28.), for that hand is strong; but when we fall away from that hand and that help, then are we lost,...

Then I said: "... Isn't it clear in this passage that we are stronger than the hand of God? God's hand is strong, but not strong enough to overcome our desires? To me, interpreting "no one" into "no one except me" renders the whole verse useless. It completely negates the point of the verse."

You are attacking your own guy. My arguments are not Pharisaical. I know that Christ COULD have stepped down from the cross with no effort. He chose not to because it was not God's plan for Him to do that. Therefore, your only out is to say that it was part of God's plan that some whom God loved would slip right through God's all powerful fingers and be lost. But, that would make you agree with the Bible babblers. Not a pleasant situation to be in.

2,373 posted on 02/08/2006 4:23:02 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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