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To: Forest Keeper
It sounds like you are saying that only the unsaved can be baptized meaningfully

Only the unbaptized can be baptized meaningfully, FK.

a person must be baptized before he can turn to God?

The knowledge of God is not something we will and is therefore not a derivative of free will, but of the knowledge that was inscribed in every man's heart by God

"I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people" (Heb 8:10)

Thus, all noetic creatures know that God exists, even if they deny it actively. That is true for angels, demons and humans. What baptism does is open our spiritual eyes so that we can choose God over sin. As Christians we are commanded to baptize in the name of the Holy Trinity, but this does not mean that God cannot baptize others in ways only known to Him.

2,276 posted on 02/03/2006 5:45:56 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
FK: "It sounds like you are saying that only the unsaved can be baptized meaningfully."

Only the unbaptized can be baptized meaningfully, FK.

I thought that you had gathered from the posts of myself, and others who agree, that our belief is that only a believer's Baptism is meaningful. I was wondering if your side puts any meaning into a believer's baptism if the person was baptized as an infant earlier. I ask because your tradition has thrown out the clear order in the Bible of salvation and Baptism and completely reversed it.

What baptism does is open our spiritual eyes so that we can choose God over sin.

Catholics have referred to Baptism as "initial salvation". Is there such a thing as "initial theosis", or are these ideas not really comparable?

2,333 posted on 02/06/2006 5:09:23 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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