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I'm Sorry, Tim LaHaye [EU to regulate conscientous objection!]
The Waffling Anglican ^ | 12/29/2005 | Mike the Geek

Posted on 12/30/2005 10:11:05 AM PST by sionnsar

Excerpted from the Brussels Journal.
A European Union advisory panel has issued a statement saying that medical professionals are not allowed to refuse to participate in abortions. According to the EU Network of Independent Experts on Fundamental Rights doctors should be forced to perform abortions, even if they have conscientious objections, because the right to abort a child is an “international human right.”

The Network, which consists of one expert per EU member state, assists the European Commission and the European Parliament in developing EU policy on fundamental rights. The Network wrote a 40-page opinion stressing that the right to conscientious objection is not “unlimited.” The opinion was given in connection with a proposed treaty between the Vatican and Slovakia. This treaty includes a guarantee that Catholic hospitals in Slovakia will not be legally obliged to “perform artificial abortions, artificial or assisted fertilizations, experiments with or handling of human organs, human embryos or human sex cells, euthanasia, cloning, sterilizations, [and] acts connected with contraception.”

The Network states that agreements which guarantee Catholic doctors and nurses a right not to be involved in abortions violate EU law. Leftist groups have complained that some new EU members – namely Lithuania, Poland and Slovakia – are so overwhelmingly Catholic that far too few doctors are willing to perform abortions. This makes it hard for women who want an abortion to find a doctor who has no conscientious objection. In such cases, the EU experts say, doctors should be forced to abort:

Indeed, the right to religious conscientious objection may conflict with other rights, also recognized under international law. In such circumstances, an adequate balance must be struck between these conflicting requirements, which may not lead to one right being sacrificed to another.

The experts declare that the right to religious conscientious objection

should be regulated in order to ensure that, in circumstances where abortion is legal, no woman shall be deprived from having effective access to the medical service of abortion. In the view of the Network, this implies that the State concerned must ensure, first, that an effective remedy should be open to challenge any refusal to provide abortion; second, that an obligation will be imposed on the health care practitioner exercising his or her right to religious conscientious objection to refer the woman seeking abortion to another qualified health care practitioner who will agree to perform the abortion; third, that another qualified health care practitioner will be indeed available, including in rural areas or in areas which are geographically remote from the centre.”

You know, I’m not a Premillenial Dispensationalist or whatever it’s called. I don’t spend a whole lot of time trying to figure out prophecy or worrying about the end times. I figure that, whether Christ comes back in my lifetime or not, I’m still obligated to go at some point, and that is what I need to pay attention to. Even if I were convinced that the second coming was on January 4th, there’s no guarantee I won’t get whacked by a bus on Jan. 3rd. My eschatological viewpoint is basically “things will get really, really bad; then Jesus comes back.”

But reading something like this makes me wonder if the Tim LaHayes and Jerry Jenkins of the world may not be right. Maybe the EU really is the resurrected Roman Empire and the Kingdom of the Antichrist. My gosh, forcing doctors to kill babies, because the right of a woman to off her kids trumps the right of others not to kill. Hippocrates must be spinning in his grave. I wonder if “I was only following orders” will play as well before the Great White Throne as it did at Nuremburg.

Sometimes I feel like we’re recapitulating scripture:

The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiphrah and the other Puah, "When you act as midwives to the Hebrew women, and see them on the birthstool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, she shall live." But the midwives feared God; they did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but they let the boys live. (Exo 1:15-17, NRSV)

I only hope there are a few Shiphrahs and Puahs left in the Land of Egypt Europe.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; coercedabortions; conscienceclause; eu

1 posted on 12/30/2005 10:11:06 AM PST by sionnsar
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To: sionnsar
"In such circumstances, an adequate balance must be struck between these conflicting requirements, which may not lead to one right being sacrificed to another.”

They go on to contradict themselves by saying the right to an abortion is pre-eminent.

Death. It's our most important product.

2 posted on 12/30/2005 10:37:46 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: sionnsar
The requirement to kill the next generation is to important I guess.

Flee from the EU, for the darkness has risen again.
3 posted on 12/30/2005 11:26:23 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sionnsar

"You know, I’m not a Premillenial Dispensationalist or whatever it’s called."

The hour is late but there's still time to change!

:)


4 posted on 12/30/2005 11:44:33 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; BibChr; PAR35; P-Marlowe; Buggman
But reading something like this makes me wonder if the Tim LaHayes and Jerry Jenkins of the world may not be right. Maybe the EU really is the resurrected Roman Empire and the Kingdom of the Antichrist. My gosh, forcing doctors to kill babies, because the right of a woman to off her kids trumps the right of others not to kill. Hippocrates must be spinning in his grave. I wonder if “I was only following orders” will play as well before the Great White Throne as it did at Nuremburg.

EU Kills Babies and forbids conscientious objection.

God will judge us all, but He might just judge them first.

5 posted on 12/30/2005 3:58:24 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

Europe's no worse than Romney's Massachusetts, which forces Catholic hospitals there to commit immoral acts.


6 posted on 12/30/2005 4:33:15 PM PST by PAR35
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To: NYer

Pinging you to this one.


7 posted on 12/30/2005 4:34:26 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

This is part of Planned Parenthood's long range strategy for the US as well. We need to have bishops with courage who will shut down Catholic hospitals rather than allow them to participate in the shedding of innocent blood.


8 posted on 12/30/2005 5:06:01 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: xzins
You know, I’m not a Premillenial Dispensationalist or whatever it’s called. I don’t spend a whole lot of time trying to figure out prophecy or worrying about the end times....

I may just have to blog that.

Taking pot-shots at LaHaye and Lindsey is some folks' favorite passtime. I always say that, while I am not a great fan of either, I respect them a whole lot more than I do the eschatological writings of your average amil. Lindsey and LaHaye think prophecy means something specific, and whether you think they do a good job or not, they try hard to figure out how it all actually will work out in history.

The amil just shrugs and says, in effect, "Whatever." Eight chapters of describing a Temple that has never yet existed? "It's Christ. Whatever." Chapters upon chapters about battles, revivals, restorations that have never happened, with specific actors and place-names? "Christ comes back. Whatever."

I'll take the guy who at least is trying to apply the (Reformed principle of) grammatico-historical hermeneutics to ALL of Scripture, and at least give him a passing grade for effort.

And so the writer hear reveals the effect of his NOT being premil/disp: he doesn't bother much with prophecy.

I appreciate the candor. Very revealing.

Dan
Biblical Christianity blog

9 posted on 12/30/2005 5:36:03 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
I'll take the guy who at least is trying to apply the (Reformed principle of) grammatico-historical hermeneutics to ALL of Scripture, and at least give him a passing grade for effort.

I agree, Dan.

ALL that scripture throughout the bible, and it's only intended to get the little lesson....God wins. That's all that all of that adds up to? It makes absolutely no sense.

I remember a class I had in seminary on the parables of Jesus. The professor forced the issue that "officially" each parable is "supposed" to have "only one" meaning. The backpedaling that took place with the parable of the sower would've powered the NYCity electric plant.

"What...you mean the sower has a meaning? And each seed? And each soil?....etc......I thought there was only one meaning."

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm...........

10 posted on 12/31/2005 2:55:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; BibChr
I'm curious as to what those who say Satan is bound as we speak can say about this. It does not appear as if the Church is gaining in influence in the world and we are not turning this world into the Kingdom of God that the Kingdom Now Replacement Theologists insist must happen before Christ's final return. If Satan is bound, then where is all this stuff coming from?
11 posted on 12/31/2005 6:24:20 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; BibChr
If Satan is bound, then where is all this stuff coming from?

I agree. It does not appear that the world is on the road to righteousness and faith, does it? If anything, it appears that it's on the road to a great apostasy. The regions of Paul's early journeys are Muslim, the regions of the Reformation are post-Christian nihilistic, the regions of former great missionary advance are now ripe for missionizing themselves, the catholic cultures of S. America are given to sensuality and license, and the melting pot of America has become one big spiritual meltdown. The few places of spiritual outreach in Africa and Asia are hopeful signs of souls being saved by Him who is "longsuffering, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

"That day shall not come until there shall first be a great falling away...."

12 posted on 01/02/2006 3:51:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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