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To: sitetest
sitetest, it can be confusing. There are a number of different actions going on.

Sometimes parish bodies are moving en masse, as you suggest. In others just the parish members move. In some of the former cases they are keeping the properties, in the latter cases obviously not.

To my recollection few, if any (I simply do not recall), keep their name and change the affiliation. None do it quietly, although I have personally seen one church quietly drop the word "Episcopal" from everything it possibly can, including the sign out front. (My guess is that they're preparing for a move once the battles are joined.)

As to the magnitude of this, no, I don't have a good sense myself. But there are others elsewhere, such as the church I previously noted. I see little organised "first wave" movement such as described here, only in three or maybe four places, but independent departures have been going on all over -- noted once, then forgotten. On the other hand, there are entire dioceses preparing to move.

I expect to see the pace pick up, but countervailing that are the departures of individuals which diminishes the numbers and strength of those pushing for whole-church departures. If GC2006 does not result in the final showdown I expect to see the rate of departures rise dramatically. (Thhis is just my guess.)

As to where they are going... the ones being noted most publicly on the blogs are going to the Southern Cone. Those that are going to the Continuing churches are little noted, but there is likely a bias in the blogworld here.

I have little knowledge of how many are going to the TAC.

The TAC is not in communion with the worldwide Anglican Communion, nor with other Continuing churches. Yes, there was quite a flap over the consecration of a couple of TAC bishops, one in Australia and one in North America, a while back. As I recall, though, it was because they tried to have ties to two juridictions.

5 posted on 12/30/2005 11:12:26 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Libs: Celebrate MY diversity, eh! || Iran Azadi 2006)
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To: sionnsar; bobjam

Dear sionnsar and bobjam,

Thanks.

What's the fall-out, legal and ecclesiastically, if a parish goes from the ECUSA to being under another jurisdiction of the Anglican Communion?

Ecclesiastically, I guess the parish is still in communion with the Anglican Communion? Is it any longer in communion with the ECUSA?

Legally, can these folks make the case of, "Hey, we're still Anglicans - we're still the Anglican parish of St. John's, we're still under an Anglican bishop, we're just not under Frank Griswold and his co-conspirators, anymore. Previously, the ECUSA was the only branch of the Anglican Communion here in the US, but as is evidenced by the fact that we're recognized and under the jurisdiction of real, live Anglican primates, that's no longer the case now."

Or will the ECUSA's reply of, "Well, it was nice knowin' ya', make sure you leave all the silverware at the door, because, after all, the body that's incorporated in the United States is the Episcopal Church of the United States of America, not the Anglican Communion" win the day?

Sorry to have so many questions. Just trying to wrap my head around all of this.


sitetest


6 posted on 12/30/2005 11:33:35 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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