Posted on 12/19/2005 7:19:55 AM PST by laney
How is Judas' betrayal for silver different from Peter's denial to save his own skin?
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Well put, my friend. There is no difference. They are the same act. Peter begged for forgiveness. Judas could not.
ping
There is nothing evil nor untrue about it. It is simply a scroll from an age when little has survived. Not to see the importance of this puts you in the category of those who burned the Library of Alexandria.
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The freedom of independent action.
I meant there is as much evidence of free will in the Old Testament as the New.
Be warned that is a Clintonesque answer. I am not saying that free will exist or that it doesn't, only that the evidence is equal.
Since you say we are incapable of grasping these concepts, why do you believe as you do?
Leni
I don't believe we can apply what we know of as logic, to anything about God. I did think though, that God is considered all-knowing.
I went to a sermon once that stated we are all Judas in our own way. We have to deny that part of ourselves. I agree with you and the preacher that preached that sermon.
>>>How is Judas' betrayal for silver different from Peter's denial to save his own skin?>>>
Because Peter denied Jesus to save his OWN skin. Judas sold Jesus out to be captured and punished for greed.
I think your question presuppose a certain misunderstanding about how God sees things. He does not "know what is going to happen in the future". He does not "foresee the future" because there is no "future" from his perspective, nor is there a "past". He is outside time and time is subject to him, so he sees everything in an eternal present. The future is no more mysterious to him than the present is to us.
So asking if a person "can do something else" is meaningless. If he were to do something else, God would just see that instead. That doesn't mean that your person has no real choices; it means that God sees the future and the past as we see the present.
Why? "What we know of as logic" is a tool we've developed using our brains, which God created. Why should logic be somehow out of bounds when speaking of divinity?
You ought to get acquainted with Thomas Aquinas sometime.
How is it, that you know this as fact?
Do you believe that God has a plan for us?
How can our logic apply to a being that is outside of time itself?
That Jesus is saying it is only by doing what I tell you that you can be saved and what I tell you is eternal, not just beginning with me.
I believe that the reason for the appearance of Jesus was to get man back on track, that believers had strayed and become ends unto themselves, especially those who represented the church.
...then those whom God intended for Eternal life..., are raised to Eternal life the same way as New Testament saints, by God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
That still leaves hanging the pre and post Christ periods but, more importantly, it suggests that the anointed ones are pre chosen and either you are or you are not. If so, it matters not what one does, he either is or isn't. I don't believe that.
I do believe it is by grace that we are saved but not that it is preordained. We need to consciously and diligently seek it and because God knows our hearts he knows whether we are sincere seekers or not. If we are, He grants our entry through his grace.
That is in comparison, according to the scriptures, of those who act out belief and try to earn their way into Heaven through good works.
This is consistent with his attack on the money changers and his admonition to go into your closet to pray rather than making great public displays of your actions.
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