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To: solitas
Time will tell and the evidence will be whether He allows this Congregation to prosper or wane.

Are you a Puritan? Does material wealth prove God's approval for what you do?

These persons appealed to Rome and lost the appeal. They have decided to split off from the Church. The English split off and now they are ordaining openly homosexual men as bishops, blessing homosexual actions as morally equal to the marriage act. Methodists have a homosexual bishop.

It's just what happens when a group drifts off from apostolic teaching authority.

35 posted on 12/17/2005 7:15:58 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: TheGeezer
Does material wealth prove God's approval for what you do?

Wha? Where'd that come from? The sentence read: Time will tell and the evidence will be whether He allows this Congregation to prosper or wane. And no where in there is there anything singling-out "material wealth". God has already Blessed them with the title to their own building and possessions and I have no doubt that if they are proceeding in accordance with His Will for them that He will continue to support them both Spiritually and materially. My statement did not single-out one over the other.

Correct - they, at the withdrawal of support from the organization and its apparent lack of dialogue and any presentation of cooperation or desire to dialogue (viz. posting #6 - the 5 lines starting with 'June 2004'), have decided to hire their own Pastor (with apparent due consideration and polling from their members - posting #6 - Aug 2005 and following) and it seems to me you maybe use a pretty broad brush to immediately paint them as homophiles.

I seem to remember in some vatican missives there being words to the effect of forgiveness of past actions as long as those identified individuals didn't further persist in their sin by action. Shouldn't that also apply to this man? Indeed, I see nothing in the material on the church's website that in any way implies a pro-homo stance by the congregation.

Given the strong nationalism, orthodoxy, conservatism, and sense-of-Family of Slavic ethnic groups I firmly believe that the AB-SO-LUTE LAST thing you'd find in such an ethnic-Polish congregation would be a tolerance for pro-homo activities (I speak from a Slovak/Polish heritage). And even less-so the idea that such an independent congregation would interview and hire a man who had any intent of promulgating such activities. He's hired as their spiritual Shepherd - not placed there by a diocese wherein the congregation has no say in his staying or going (i.e. "we put him there: like it or lump it") - have any of you honestly never known of congregations not happy with a priest assigned to them, for whatever reason, that the diocese would not reassign? That can be a sure-fire cause for division, schism, and separation especially if there's a "we can't hear you"/"we won't listen to you"-position taken by the diocese.

I'm sure the congregation is spiritually and theologically mature enough to realize if his actions ever deviate from Scripture and will make the proper remedies for any such situations. rome may be more liberal in their limits to "forgive and forget and reassign" but these people are at-the-scene and have more at stake regarding their spiritual welfare and the welfare of their families, and are apparently dissatisfied with the performance of that diocese regard their needs that they've sought God's Will and feel that It is to take that responsibility upon themselves.

Many other congregations are independent and God has Willed them to either prosper or fail, and this one is no different. Again: time will tell.

43 posted on 12/17/2005 8:15:56 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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