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To: rzeznikj at stout

"On the same token, it can't be reversed. Especially in this country."

Sure it can. And it had better be, if we are to entertain any hopes of remaining above ground.

"The Feminazis and the womyn would scream bloody murder if anyone cut out the female altar server."

So what? Are you afraid of screaming women? Take a tip from Humphrey Bogart: "I never saw a dame yet that didn't understand a good slap in the mouth or a slug from a .45."


36 posted on 12/13/2005 5:30:18 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
I'm personally not. I don't give two cents what they say. But there are enough people, both clerics and lay (CINOs), that are--especially in the American Churches. Keep in mind that for right or wrong, PC madness exists in the American Church almost as much as it does in popular culture.

My semi-educated guess is that said people fear that by p***ing off those groups could result in people refusing to give to the Church or to participate in Church activities, or in extreme circumstances outright leaving, any and all of which hurts us all in the end. So, does such an attitude boil down to a perceived "ends justify means"? I think so.

My key points in all this are that with the current dynamic and the CINO's, any strategy that calls for a total reversal will fail without question. Clearly, any immediate "shock and awe" action will be questioned, or worse, fail to be implemented in many spots.

Plus, any gradual move would likely be a long and harrowing process, and once the Liberals see it (and remember, the prevailing moral, ethical, sociopolitical, and fiduciary dynamics of the American Church seem to be in their favor at this point), they will put an end to it. Therefore, I stand by my belief that we cannot do anything serious about it as the situation stands.

At the same time, we sit in a "Damned if we do, damned if we don't situation."

I agree with you that it needs to be changed, and without any doubt in my mind. But how to completely implent that in our society is going to be extremely difficult to effectively pull off, if not outright impossible.

Why? Because fewer boys are wanting to become altar servers in light of females taking over the serving body in some parishes.

I'm not saying the fight should be fought--it needs to be. But we cannot fight this liberalism in the American Church unless we have a cohesive action that answers all these and has a positive effect on the Church as a whole.

Basically, we need to be able to convince the Joe Parishioners who may or may not have an opinion on the greater American Church that this reversal needs to happen without further ado for the sake of the Church's influence in our society and her perpetuity.

Finally, keep in mind that if what we do has nothing but negative ramifications for the needs of the Church, is it really worth doing? I don't believe so.

This is what we should be doing right now as the faithful--serious discussion on how to take back our Church--It's ours too and not just for the Liberals and the Cafeteria Catholics.

50 posted on 12/13/2005 7:53:57 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Liberalism: The world's singular leading cause of truth decay...)
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