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To: phatus maximus
I am saying that the written word of God needs to be interpreted in the light of the sacred tradition transmitted by the apostolic Church; if it is read independently or, worse, in opposition to the Church then such reading will lead to harmful results. One example is Luther. Of course he has "read" the gospels. But his "reading" was not profitable and his theories betray no familiarity with the passages I enumerated in #20. So, in short and for greater dramatic effect, I say

Luther did not read the gospels.

63 posted on 12/13/2005 7:36:58 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
I am saying that the written word of God needs to be interpreted in the light of the sacred tradition transmitted by the apostolic Church; if it is read independently or, worse, in opposition to the Church then such reading will lead to harmful results.

And you know that HOW?

Mom raises her hand and waves for attention, I know , I know ...

BY FAITH ALONE

You only "believe " that ON FAITH cause that is what your church tells you to believe.

That is NO WHERE taught by Christ or the apostles. The jews had their "tradition " and their "priests" and were as blind spiritually as bats.

What did Jesus say of those "leaders"

13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

16 "Woe to you, blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.'

17 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that *sanctifies the gold?

18 And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.'

19 Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?

20 Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.

21 He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who *dwells in it. 22 And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and *self-indulgence.

26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.

28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,

30 and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'

31 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.

32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.

33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,

35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

One example is Luther. Of course he has "read" the gospels. But his "reading" was not profitable and his theories betray no familiarity with the passages I enumerated in #20. So, in short and for greater dramatic effect, I say

I have presented you with much scripture that you seem bind to

Mar 4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:

Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

Mar 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

Mar 4:14 The sower soweth the word.

One more time

Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Now from your POPE

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever

..You cling to your tradition and your works and on that day you will stand before the judge of men who will judge ever single act and work you have ever done.

You need to quake with fear if you cling to your own righteousness to be saved.

Rom 3:10 — As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

65 posted on 12/13/2005 8:35:30 AM PST by RnMomof7 ("Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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