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To: HarleyD; wmfights; markomalley; Knitting A Conundrum; NYer; Campion; annalex
Harley,what you have done here is wrong, sinful--though I suppose you are excused by ignorance. Your argument against Cajetan is entirely ad hominem, that is, you explain his actions psychologically and portray him as motivated by ambition for power. What evidence do you have for this? This is sheer speculation on your part. Have you read any of Cajetan's writings? Have you even read a biography or article about Cajetan?

I give you evidence that others in the Church were to blame (in the Curia) and evidence that the portrayal of Cajetan as having treated Luther as a heretic is simply false. I did not exonerate the Catholic Church. Luther was wronged, but not by Cajetan. Cajetan was utterly fair to him and the sermon you posted utters calumny against Cajetan.

You do no research to evaluate my claims. You simply speculate solely out of your own brain and place the blame entirely on Cajetan, whom you portray as a venal and evil man.

Now that is a sin against Christian charity, Harley. You have stated what you cannot know to be true as an explanation for what happened. You have borne false witness against us Catholics, after I offered you a nuanced understanding of what happened: Luther had legitmate complaints about abuses; he did some poor theologizing at the same time, Cajetan called him on the poor theologizing but agreed that many abuses needed correcting; Cajetan was stabbed in the back by members of the Curia. The posted article distorts this. You come back and portray Cajetan as venal.

You now cannot plead ignorance, Harley. Show where I'm wrong by showing evidence from the sources, not from some hack Protestant apologist, of Cajetan's venality or power-hunger or else apologize. Some day you will have answer for asserting what you cannot really know to be true.

Cajetan's writings are readily available in English. I cited them in my previous posting. I have read them. Have you?

9 posted on 12/08/2005 10:19:46 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis; wmfights; markomalley; Knitting A Conundrum; NYer; Campion; annalex
You simply speculate solely out of your own brain

From your point of view isn't that what being a Protestant is all about?

12 posted on 12/08/2005 11:03:51 AM PST by HarleyD ("Command what you will and give what you command." - Augustine's Prayer)
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