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To: markomalley
But--and here lies the tragedy of the Reformation and of German Christianity--he let the warring spirits drive him to overthrow not merely the abuses in the Church, but the Church Herself, founded upon Peter...

Um, the Church was founded upon Christ.

Carry on.

10 posted on 12/04/2005 5:23:13 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; A.A. Cunningham; Knitting A Conundrum; NYer; Campion; annalex; Dionysiusdecordealcis; ...
Um, the Church was founded upon Christ.

Carry on.

My "church" was built upon the Rock of Christ Jesus.

All other foundations are sinking sand.


Matthew 16:18-19 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Of course, we have the greek words "petros" vs "petra". Those are derived from the same root: "petros". And they both are synonymous.

However, as I am sure you know, this event happened in Roman Palestine/the geography of modern Israel. The spoken language among the locals there was aramaic, not greek. If you were to take a look at the Peshitta Aramaic text, you'd find that both "peter" and "rock" are translations of the word "keepa." (I know, you don't believe me. Look at a PDF of Matt. 16 here. [remember, you have to read from right to left with the semetic scripts]) -- oh, btw, now you know where the name "cephas" comes from -- a hellinization of the word "keepa" (or "kipa", depending upon who does the transliteration).

If you'd like accounts from the Church Fathers, I'll be happy to oblige...it's just a little late to do so tonight.

 


Now, I realize that I'm just a dumb old Catholic and I don't knows ya Bible nealy as well as ya protestants does, but it seems pretty clear to me. Jesus called Peter "the Rock" -- Jesus handed Peter "the keys." Maybe I'm just a little dumb old Catt-o-licker, but I am not usually in the habit of arguing with the Bible. And the Bible says that Jesus handed the responsibility and authority for the Christian church to Peter. Now if you'd like to argue with the Bible, feel free. I won't stop you for a minute.

13 posted on 12/04/2005 7:24:00 PM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: P-Marlowe

That is incorrect. The Church was founded BY Christ, UPON Peter.


35 posted on 12/05/2005 7:34:12 AM PST by magisterium
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