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To: HarleyD
Newadvent states that the canonical hours have changed over the centuries. NOW they include just the Psalms and prose Scripture reading.

I didn't say that they included only those things. The monastic hours in pre-Reformation Germany would have been substantially similar to the revised, post-Tridentine breviary. We know all about what that said, there's not a hint of speculation about it; with minor modifications, it was what every priest and nun said prior to Vatican II.

And it's not that different from the breviary today, except that the post VC2 breviary is in the vernacular.

This is all speculation on yours and my part.

Well, no, not really, Harley. It's pretty well attested what the canonical hours contained, and 175 Our Fathers a day wasn't part of it.

They were consider obligatory and failure to do them could result in excommunication.

Yes, they still are. All of that Bible reading, under pain of sin. How awful! Some of it's even from St. Paul. Some of it's even from Romans and Galatians.

Stop by my house some night when I say Vespers together with my wife and kids, and you'll see what I mean.

43 posted on 12/14/2005 3:21:36 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion; Dionysiusdecordealcis
Unless you follow the Rule of St. Benedict at your house I don't think I'll need to stop by-even if you break out the fruitcake. Here is just a sample of what the monks had to endure in the Middle Ages under these rules:

Now tell me this is what you do at home. This confirms what the author states.
44 posted on 12/14/2005 5:24:12 PM PST by HarleyD ("Command what you will and give what you command." - Augustine's Prayer)
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To: Campion
For clarification, the post-Vatican II revisions changed the one-week Psalter to a 4-week Psalter, so the number of Psalms per day was reduced significantly. The argument was that the one-week Psalter was out of the reach of the average working stiff to find time to recite and could only be expected of priests and monks and nuns. By reducing the amount to be recited each day, more lay people could join in.

But the basic structure remains as it has been for more than 1500 years.

45 posted on 12/14/2005 6:01:46 PM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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