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To: gbcdoj; alpha-8-25-02; Dr. Eckleburg
"As regards Thomas, you must be joking [that Thomas was a Predestinarian}..."
Now it is necessary that God's goodness, which in itself is one and undivided, should be manifested in many ways in His creation; because creatures in themselves cannot attain to the simplicity of God. Thus it is that for the completion of the universe there are required different grades of being; some of which hold a high and some a low place in the universe. That this multiformity of grades may be preserved in things, God allows some evils, lest many good things should never happen, as was said above (22, 2). Let us then consider the whole of the human race, as we consider the whole universe. God wills to manifest His goodness in men; in respect to those whom He predestines, by means of His mercy, as sparing them; and in respect of others, whom he reprobates, by means of His justice, in punishing them. This is the reason why God elects some and rejects others.(emphasis mine.)
Summa Theologica Ia. Q.23 A.5 ad.3

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28 posted on 12/13/2005 6:32:08 PM PST by Johannes Althusius
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To: Johannes Althusius
I'm impressed at how you managed to equate the concepts of "imputed righteousness" and "predestinarianism." An absolutely brilliant way of demonstrating that you have no ability at all in the science of sacred theology.

Thomas wasn't a predestinarian either, by the way, although he believed in predestination.

31 posted on 12/13/2005 7:40:01 PM PST by gbcdoj (Let us ask the Lord with tears, that according to his will so he would shew his mercy to us Jud 8:17)
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To: Johannes Althusius
If you would read qu. 23, articles 1 and 3, you would discover that by "God reprobates some" Aquinas takes pains to explain that this means "God permits them to be reprobated" and by "predestines" he means to lead, direct but that he excludes any strictly deterministic understanding of predestination. In qu. 23, art. 1, ad primum he quotes John of Damascus's point that "God does not will malice nor compel virtue" as evidence that predestination is not necessitarian and takes place in accord with man's free will and cooperation (if you would read the sections of the Summa on grace, free will, human nature you might even understand how unlike the necessitarian predestinarians Aquinas was.

Prooftexting is not very helpful, Johannes.

49 posted on 12/14/2005 6:42:47 PM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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