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To: Jo Nuvark
I am all for the government butting out of moral (religion) issues. The young and Biblically illiterate trust our government to make lawful decisions, but it is no guarantee the decisions will agree with God.
Many people are culturally Jewish or catholic. Faith and obedience to God is not even a consideration.

I am NOT at all for the government butting out of moral issues.

If the Founding Fathers wanted government "butting out of moral (religion) issues" there would not have been a Constitution. Laws are founded on the understood (through shared religious convictions) concensus of right and wrong.
Religion tells us what is right and wrong.

A government with a sense of right and wrong based on moral relativity (greed, power, fads, etc.) is no government at all....just a collection of power mongers who do whatever it takes to stay in power.

Examples:
1. Murder. If the morons of moral relativity had their way "Tookie" (the monster) Williams would not be on his way to his rightful execution. He would be set free, after four murders.
2. Abortion. Murdering our own most helpless and innocent children because they are inconventient or imperfect would be considered right by all the judges and lawmakers.
3. Same-sex marriage. Giving homosexuals the license to marry would open the Pandora's box to what India has in the way of legal marriages--
a. four wives/one husband
b. multiple husbands/one wife
c. child marriages, 11-year-olds marrying 12-year-olds or marrying 60-year-olds
d. Farsi marriages, any union but mother-son

Societies like ours draw our laws from our religious, moral codes.
Moral absolutes/moral imperatives sound harsh only to the young, stupid, foolish or moral relativists.

9 posted on 12/02/2005 8:41:10 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: starfish923

[...NOT at all for the government butting out of moral issues...]

If we agree that the moral baseline is the Bible, then we have no argument. But in this post Judeo-Christian era, the moral baseline has become relativism and secular humanism. I'm saying we cannot trust the government to rightly interpret the Constitution. Dennis Prager said it much better than I.

The left thinks legally, the right thinks morally


Posted: September 21, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Dennis Prager
To understand the worldwide ideological battle – especially the one between America and Western Europe and within America itself – one must understand the vast differences between leftist and rightist worldviews and between secular and religious (specifically Judeo-Christian) values.
One of the most important of these differences is their attitudes toward law. Generally speaking, the Left and the secularists venerate, if not worship, law. They put their faith in law – both national and international. Law is the supreme good. For most on the Left, "Is it legal?" is usually the question that determines whether an action is right or wrong.

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To the Left, legality matters most, while to the Right, legality matters far less than morality. To the Right and to the religious, the law, when it is doing its job, is only a vehicle to morality, never a moral end in itself. Even the Left has to acknowledge this. When Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat to a white man on a Montgomery, Ala., bus in 1955, she violated the law. Therefore, anyone who thinks she did the right thing is acknowledging that law must be subservient to morality.


10 posted on 12/02/2005 9:31:56 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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