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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The great paradox. Christ-denying heathens can be forgiven, but Protestants are anathematized, cursed and damned to burn in hell for all eternity for putting the word of God before the traditions of men.

Who said Christ-denying heathens are forgiven? The Pope is speaking of those who do not KNOW Christ, not those who know Him and REJECT Him. And PROTESTANTS are not anathemized unless they willfully reject, knowing fully the teaching in question. Generally, anathemas are directed towards individuals, not entire organizations.

And, of course, you aren't putting the Word of God before the traditions of men - you follow the tradition of Calvin to the exclusion of the Scriptures that teach the God is love. So be careful what you accuse others of.

Regards

319 posted on 12/02/2005 5:24:17 AM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus; HarleyD; xzins; JohnnyM
And PROTESTANTS are not anathemized unless they willfully reject, knowing fully the teaching in question.

Sounds good, but the truth is that the 125 curses the Council of Trent (1545-1565) swore on every Protestant head have not been rescinded. As soon as they are, your ecumenical comments will have some weight on the subject.

Currently, according to the Roman Catholic Church, all Christian men and women who believe in Scriptura alone are anathematized by the RC church and damned to hell.

"If any one shall deny that the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore entire Christ, are truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist; and shall say that He is only in it as a sign, or in a figure, or virtually--let him be accursed" (Canon 1).

"If any one shall say that the substance of the bread and wine remains in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, together with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and shall deny that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the blood, the outward forms of the bread and wine still remaining, which conversion the Catholic Church most aptly calls transubstantiation--let him be accursed" (Canon 2).

"If any man shall say that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is not to be adored in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, even with the open worship of latria, and therefore not to be venerated with any peculiar festal celebrity, nor to be solemnly carried about in processions according to the praiseworthy, and universal rites and customs of the holy Church, and that he is not to be publicly set before the people to be adored, and that his adorers are idolaters--let him be accursed" (Canon 6).

"If anyone shall say that the ungodly man is justified by faith only so as to understand that nothing else is required that may cooperate to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is in no wise necessary for him to be prepared and disposed by the motion of his own will ... let him be accursed" (Canon 9).

"If anyone shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed" (Canon 12).

And the 125 anathemas (eternal damnations against Bible-believing Christians) of the Council of Trent were affirmed most recently by Pope John Paul II in January, 1996, when he commemorated the 450th anniversary of the opening of the Council of Trent by visiting Trento, Italy, and stating that Trent's declarations "maintain all their value."

So as soon as these 125 anathemas are lifted and the Roman Catholic church no longer believes I and all my Protestant brothers and sisters are going to hell because we believe God's free, merciful, unmerited grace alone saves the fallen sinner, let me know.

FWIW, Protestants do not believe the same about your eternal fate.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved." All faith given by God, according to His good pleasure from before the foundation of the world. All conversion from sinner to saint by the work of the Holy Ghost alone, according to the will of God and not the will of man. All the elect unerringly gathered and brought home to God by Jesus Christ alone who promises to lose not one whom the Father has given Him.

Rejoice. It is much simpler than you make it out to be.

357 posted on 12/02/2005 9:34:16 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ('Deserves' got nothing to do with it.)
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