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To: PetroniusMaximus
If there were any reality to plenary indulgences then shouldn't practicing Catholics see these punishments ameliorated?

If there were any reality to your claim that all punishment for sin was removed at the Cross, shouldn't practicing Protestants see them ameliorated?

62 posted on 11/30/2005 11:52:48 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion

" If there were any reality to your claim that all punishment for sin was removed at the Cross, ..."

My friend, the reality of my "claim" is Scripture.

"And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross."



"...shouldn't practicing Protestants see them ameliorated?"


They certainly should, and certainly will. Paul has written down the timetable...

Rom 8

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.



Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.


67 posted on 11/30/2005 12:09:57 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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