[Pyro7480]

I know about the Jewish thing, but the Satanist thing?

[rmlew]

SSPX assigns John 8:44 to all Jews, not just those who condemned Jesus.
"You are of your father the devil, and the desire of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof." (Jn. 8:44)

[BlackElk]

Pyro: I think the Satanist reference was not my own but was contained in rmlew's #17 and his/her #21. The "second conclusion" cited in #21 certainly seems to equate Jews generally with the Pharisees of whom Jesus said: "You are of your father the devil, the desire of your father you will do."

Now, if Jesus meant that all Jews were spawn of Satan, did that include his apostles? Joseph??? Mary??????? Himself?????? One doubts it since all of them were Jews. More likely Jesus said what He meant and meant what He said and directed that judgment only to the Pharisees and Fr. Whazzisname of SSPX has no authority whatsoever to spread the accusation to all Jews any more than he has some business figuratively spitting in the face of the papacy by adhering to SSPX or calling himself Catholic when he is excluded by his schism.

rmlew: I take it that you understand that what you cited in #21 is not an expresson of actual Catholicism. We Catholics have certainly offended without justification in numerous ways but I assure you that we are NOT required to subscribe to the nutty theories of SSPX. In fact, quite the contrary. May you be blessed.

[BlackElk]

You know, it is also true, that Jewish people are reasonably upset when they hear modern renditions of the medieval blood libel against Jews. Annas and Caiphas had NO AUTHORITY whatsoever to place blood guilt on the Jews as a race. Who died and left either or both God? How could Annas and Caiphas call down upon the pious Jewish family, minding its own business across town, preparing their Passover seder as Annas and Caiphas were shooting their impious mouths off, the condemnation that was for them and their actual co-conspirators? Who empowered them to call down upon today's Jews such condemnation?

Who empowered this Fr. Schmidberger of the SSPX schism to do so?

As a matter of fact, as Roman Catholics, you and I are required to believe in individual free will, individual reward and punishment for the actions in which the individual has engaged.

It is moral monstrosity to suggest that any Jew, just for being a Jew, bears any responsibility whatsoever for the death of Jesus Christ other than as an individual sinner, a status shared with each and every Catholic and each and every other human being other than Jesus Christ and Mary who has ever lived or ever will. If Jesus Christ was crucified by the sins of Jews, he was equally crucified by the slightest sins of you or me or of any other non-Jew. Oftentimes we are guilty of confusing people as to what we believe.

It is NOT liberal to frankly state that our Catholic Faith requires us NOT to believe the blood libel against Jews (all but a willfully acting handful under Annas and Caiphas) who are generally as innocent of those actions as is thee or me.